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RE: close ups of a few shelves - 3/19/2008 8:40:20 PM    bonesbda   Posts: 106 Joined: 2/1/2006 Status: offline they're out there...but the wreck ones are VERY distinct... it was in route from uk to baltimore...so i'm guessing it was to FILL the flasks in the us once it arrived.. you also find porters that have a distinct top...seems like the same person/persons made them all.. you also find medice vials in about 4-5 sizes..from about 3inches to around 6 inces in length. teddy tucker made a path out of the smaller grindstones from the wreck.. from what i've heard ..teddy also dragged part of the wreck into deep water tho i can't personally confirm that story.. (in reply to earlyglass) Post #: 21

RE: close ups of a few shelves - 3/19/2008 8:50:52 PM    earlyglass   Posts: 1067 Joined: 12/21/2004 Status: offline Well, I'm not sure if that helps me determine the origin of these flasks. Since they had always been considered American, the fact that these were en route TO the states has always been a bit confusing to me. Do you know where the Caesar was prior to the UK? Anyways, thanks for your info. You have a wonderful collection there, and it looks like most of it is your own discoveries!  Mike  (in reply to bonesbda) Post #: 22

RE: close ups of a few shelves - 3/19/2008 9:00:09 PM    bonesbda   Posts: 106 Joined: 2/1/2006 Status: offline nothing i can determine from my referance book.. story i've always heard was that the bottles were made in england and being sent to the US for their centennial... the style of these flasks are of english pontils...not like the open pontils of the US flasks.. as to the collection...aprox 70 % were found by me...85% were found here...and the the other 10% i've traded for...leaving 5% i've bought. (in reply to earlyglass) Post #: 23

RE: close ups of a few shelves - 3/19/2008 9:13:20 PM    earlyglass   Posts: 1067 Joined: 12/21/2004 Status: offline Possibly, but the HS flask is decorated with American motif... Patriotic eagle, Masonic Arch, etc. The design is identical to the JP mold. The JP is for Justus Perry, who operated the Keene Glasshouse right after Schoolcraft. I also have an aqua HS flask, exact mold, with a sheared top and flint glass just like the other Keene flasks. It is a very curious thing... I guess all we can say for sure is that they are prior to 1817 and are beautiful historical flasks!  (in reply to bonesbda) Post #: 24

RE: close ups of a few shelves - 3/19/2008 9:14:48 PM    bonesbda   Posts: 106 Joined: 2/1/2006 Status: offline that is definately the truth...they are lovely flasks. (in reply to earlyglass) Post #: 25

RE: close ups of a few shelves - 3/19/2008 9:17:43 PM    bonesbda   Posts: 106 Joined: 2/1/2006 Status: offline curios thought...since the flasks were in high demand...could a mould have been SENT to UK? to relieve some of the workload from the US glasshouses?  that might explain the the differances. (in reply to bonesbda) Post #: 26

RE: close ups of a few shelves - 3/19/2008 9:30:38 PM    mikmis   Posts: 447 Joined: 11/16/2006 From: loveland ,colorado Status: offline dosn't seem likely at that time because of our non intercourse act with briton and france enacted in 1809 im not sure when it ended though or how well it worked .no imports were allowed at that time at least untill 1815. _____________________________ michael (in reply to bonesbda) Post #: 27

RE: close ups of a few shelves - 3/19/2008 9:33:09 PM    bonesbda   Posts: 106 Joined: 2/1/2006 Status: offline well...it's possible then...as the wreck occured in 1818...... (in reply to mikmis) Post #: 28

RE: close ups of a few shelves - 3/19/2008 9:39:35 PM    earlyglass   Posts: 1067 Joined: 12/21/2004 Status: offline The research continues... It has always been a mystery for me, and I'm sure the answer is out there. I believe the mold to be American, but I will say that the glass batch is different than the most of the glass made at Keene during this time. However, I have seen other masonic flasks (although very rare) made from this same batch. Very curious. Thanks for your input. Mike  (in reply to mikmis) Post #: 29

RE: close ups of a few shelves - 3/19/2008 11:03:40 PM    tigue710 Posts: 4143 Joined: 7/11/2007 From: connecticut - nor cal Status: online Nice stuff...  The places I want to dive you have to have scuba gear... and be certified....  deep river ports and the like, no visability and to deep even if you could see the bottom!   _____________________________ •={•}=•={•}=•={•}=•={•}=•={•}=•={•}=•={•}=•={•}=•={•}=•={•}=•={•}=•={•}=•={•}=•={•}=•={•}=•={•}=•={•}=•={•}=•={•}=•={•}=•={•}=•={•}=•={•}=•={•}=•={•}=•= (in reply to earlyglass) Post #: 30

RE: close ups of a few shelves - 3/20/2008 5:57:29 AM    bonesbda   Posts: 106 Joined: 2/1/2006 Status: offline well...i think i have an explaination for that... shortly after the wreck...the salvaged cargo was auctioned off ..there's some record of that here, so there is a good chance of there being a few perfect ones out there..tho as u said...VERY RARE. (in reply to earlyglass) Post #: 31

RE: close ups of a few shelves - 3/20/2008 5:59:31 AM    bonesbda   Posts: 106 Joined: 2/1/2006 Status: offline never tried river diving...that must be ineresting in comparison to my norm. (in reply to tigue710) Post #: 32

RE: close ups of a few shelves - 3/20/2008 5:13:52 PM    RedGinger Posts: 6727 Joined: 12/7/2007 Status: offline You have some really beautiful bottles bonesbda.  I really enjoyed seeing them and the story behind them. _____________________________ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyVTdY2BI3g (in reply to bonesbda) Post #: 33

RE: close ups of a few shelves - 3/20/2008 6:29:16 PM    bonesbda   Posts: 106 Joined: 2/1/2006 Status: offline thanks.. to me a bottle's just an item... UNTIL you add the story...then it's history. (in reply to RedGinger) Post #: 34

RE: close ups of a few shelves - 3/21/2008 8:30:40 PM    deer4x4 Posts: 368 Joined: 1/2/2008 From: san jose ca. Status: offline cant help but to read this thread all the time you can really see who has the knowledge and the information and watch how they can add to each other to try and fill their own questions and also fill in gaps you all do great to this forum with the information beautiful pics and the history behind some of it thansk for the information bob (in reply to bonesbda) Post #: 35

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