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any help...THANKS! - 5/4/2008 10:40:58 PM    aufishjr   Posts: 10 Joined: 5/4/2008 Status: offline Hello everyone. I'm new to the board, but plan on being an active member.  I live in Utah and went out hunting today and found a goodie! I havne't been able to find anything about it...even googled..but to no avail.  All you experts out there i would appreciate some info.  I have many other bottles that I have found, and will eventually post pics of those too.  Thanks in advance for any help. Steve Post #: 1

RE: any help...THANKS! - 5/6/2008 9:28:59 PM    marjorie040 Posts: 375 Joined: 12/3/2006 Status: offline Hi Steve, I won't be much help with your bottle but did want to say Welcome to the forum! You will get lots of help here and I'm anxious to see your postings! I did find three families of Ziegenhagen's in the 1910 Census for Chicago, including August Ziegenhagen. He was proprietor of a liquor store and the other two Ziegenhagen men were salesman and bookkeeper. Perhaps they were in the bottling business too! Interestingly enough there is also an August Ziegenhagen in the 1920 census for Milwaukee, Wi and he was listed as a Brewer. I thought your bottle looked somewhat like a beer bottle, Happy digging _____________________________ marjorie040 McClellanville, sc (in reply to aufishjr) Post #: 2

RE: any help...THANKS! - 5/6/2008 9:38:45 PM    lobeycat Posts: 3803 Joined: 9/8/2003 From: RED SOX Nation Status: offline Marj is right on the noggin. It's a beer and without seeing the top I'd say it had a lightning stopper for sure. Almost impossible to drag out any info on these, other than an ad or a clipping from newsprint of some sort. I'd date it from the 1920's-30's. In a big city like Chicago there where thousands of brewers and bottlers at the time. Value? $5 maybe. More if it attracted a few local boys. Welcome to the forum! Lobes. _____________________________ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RD8XDgVe2EU long lost recipe (in reply to marjorie040) Post #: 3

RE: any help...THANKS! - 5/7/2008 8:53:11 AM    brokenshovel   Posts: 463 Joined: 8/29/2005 From: Westminster Maryland Status: offline Lobey 1920-1930? I'm I missing somehting here? hand blown blob with  a lightening or porcelin stopper = 1885 -190X.  Do you think this type of glassblowing was still going on in 1920-1930 in Chicago? Not busting balls I'd just never heard of hand blown blobs from the 1920's.?. (in reply to lobeycat) Post #: 4

RE: any help...THANKS! - 5/7/2008 10:39:27 AM    lobeycat Posts: 3803 Joined: 9/8/2003 From: RED SOX Nation Status: offline Patented in 1875 the lightning stopper or swing type closures, most popular on sodas and beers where used well into the 20's, Use after that was limited though occasional. End of lesson < Message edited by lobeycat -- 5/7/2008 3:01:56 PM > _____________________________ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RD8XDgVe2EU long lost recipe (in reply to brokenshovel) Post #: 5

RE: any help...THANKS! - 5/7/2008 4:03:55 PM    capsoda Posts: 7917 Joined: 11/15/2005 From: Seminole,Alabama, USA Status: offline Yep, The lobster is right. Here is a pic of a machine made bottle from the late 1920s early 1930. Small bottlers couldn't always afford the newest of everything so they stayed with what worked. By 1935 the government began to slam what they called unsafe methiods and pratices in bottling beverages. That stopped the use of many long time favorite bottles and stoppers and put many small bottlers out of business. Attachment (1) _____________________________ Warren Diggin down in Dixie, USA Work is for people who don't dig bottles President, Panhandle Cruisers http://www.panhandlecruisers.org/ (in reply to lobeycat) Post #: 6

RE: any help...THANKS! - 5/8/2008 7:48:17 AM    aufishjr   Posts: 10 Joined: 5/4/2008 Status: offline thanks for the info and comments.  too bad it's not worth more.  I'm still looking for that elusive rare and htf bottle.  i have been lucky stumbling on bottles that I do have just searching old mining areas.  thanks for posting the picture of a lightning stopper too.  I didn't even know what one was until then.  I've got lots to learn and have been enjoying going through all the posts and looking at everyone elses finds. Steve (in reply to capsoda) Post #: 7

RE: any help...THANKS! - 5/8/2008 8:05:02 AM    cobaltbot Posts: 1693 Joined: 4/7/2006 From: Delta, PA Status: offline Welcome to the forum, post more of your stuff.  The jury is still out on the value, any slugplate beer is a nice bottle, while probably common and worth $5 you don't know until you find out from someone who is up on Chicago bottles or has a bottle book from there. Nice find! _____________________________ My tombstone will read: He went out for a walk and never came back.... (in reply to aufishjr) Post #: 8

RE: any help...THANKS! - 5/8/2008 9:39:14 AM    brokenshovel   Posts: 463 Joined: 8/29/2005 From: Westminster Maryland Status: offline Guys, I agree about the lightening stopper.  I have several on crown tops. I'm talking about hand blown BLOBs still being made in 1920-1930 not the stopper.  I thought they died out in the early 190X? (in reply to cobaltbot) Post #: 9

RE: any help...THANKS! - 5/8/2008 10:19:14 AM    glass man Posts: 1825 Joined: 1/30/2008 From: GEORGIA Status: offline I learn something new every day and then can't remember what it was! _____________________________ JESUS said"COME TO THE WATER,STAND BY MY SIDE. I KNOW YOU ARE THIRSTY;YOU WON'T BE DENIED. I FELT EVERY TEARDROP WHEN IN DARKNESS YOU CRIED,SO I STROVE TO REMIND YOU FOR THOSE TEARS I DIED. (in reply to brokenshovel) Post #: 10

RE: any help...THANKS! - 5/8/2008 12:08:27 PM    lobeycat Posts: 3803 Joined: 9/8/2003 From: RED SOX Nation Status: offline quote: I thought they died out in the early 190X? Well you've just been schooled then. Two blobs from my hometown from 1925-30 Attachment (1) < Message edited by lobeycat -- 5/8/2008 12:29:41 PM > _____________________________ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RD8XDgVe2EU long lost recipe (in reply to glass man) Post #: 11

RE: any help...THANKS! - 5/8/2008 6:21:20 PM    baltbottles   Posts: 930 Joined: 11/25/2002 From: Baltimore Maryland Status: offline Greg, Baltimore is the exception to the rule. Most places use hand blown blob beers well into the teens and early 20s. Washingtion Dc has some dated 1914. Wilmington Del and Philly have many that were in business during the 20s. Being the Crown seal was invented in Baltimore It caught on here first. I've noticed that most firms in Baltimore were using a Crown seal bottle by the late 1890s and by about 1905 almost all of them were. With only a few of the Weiss Beer brewers still using a blob style bottle. Thats why in a 1910 context you get a bunch of machine made crown top beers here in Baltimore you really have to get into the mid 1890s to find  blobs in quanity. Chris _____________________________ Please visit my website at : www.geocities.com/baltbottles/index.html (in reply to lobeycat) Post #: 12

RE: any help...THANKS! - 5/9/2008 9:18:00 AM    brokenshovel   Posts: 463 Joined: 8/29/2005 From: Westminster Maryland Status: offline Thanks Chris, I'd seen the later machine blobs like the Weiss's you mentioned.  Didn't realize other cities were still using hand made that late.  Gee I guess Balto was a little advanced back then.  Thanks for making sense. (in reply to baltbottles) Post #: 13

RE: any help...THANKS! - 5/9/2008 10:07:32 AM    amblypygi Posts: 453 Joined: 4/6/2004 From: Western Massachusetts Status: offline quote: ORIGINAL: lobeycat ... Well you've just been schooled then. Two blobs from my hometown from 1925-30 ... While it's true that blobs were made later into the 30's, I would bet that brokenshovel is right that this Chicago bottle is earlier, 1895-1910 or so. The aqua glass wasn't very common at all in the 20s and 30s, and you'll notice that Lobey's blobs are clear. I'm not trying to fan any flames here, but I think "schooled" is a pretty strong word when the age of the bottle being estimated is probably wrong... Sean < Message edited by amblypygi -- 5/9/2008 10:08:11 AM > (in reply to lobeycat) Post #: 14

RE: any help...THANKS! - 5/9/2008 12:21:46 PM    lobeycat Posts: 3803 Joined: 9/8/2003 From: RED SOX Nation Status: offline I beg to differ sir. Aqua glass was quite common in the first half of the 21st century. Fruit jars for example. Millions where made between 1910 and 1940. Aqua glass was simply cheaper to make than clear, as the sand required to make clear glass in most cases was imported to the States. _____________________________ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RD8XDgVe2EU long lost recipe (in reply to amblypygi) Post #: 15

RE: any help...THANKS! - 5/10/2008 2:16:14 PM    amblypygi Posts: 453 Joined: 4/6/2004 From: Western Massachusetts Status: offline Fair enough, but if you had to place a bet on when Mr. August Ziegenhagen was bottling in Chicago, and the only two choices were 1905 and 1925, would you really bet on the latter? I wouldn't :) Sean (in reply to lobeycat) Post #: 16

RE: any help...THANKS! - 5/10/2008 2:30:59 PM    lobeycat Posts: 3803 Joined: 9/8/2003 From: RED SOX Nation Status: offline Bub, it's a classic 20's 30's form. I've seen a ****load of them. < Message edited by lobeycat -- 5/10/2008 2:32:12 PM > _____________________________ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RD8XDgVe2EU long lost recipe (in reply to amblypygi) Post #: 17

RE: any help...THANKS! - 5/11/2008 12:18:59 AM    KentOhio   Posts: 732 Joined: 9/13/2004 Status: offline Our friend August Ziegenhagen was 70 in 1910. I have a feeling he didn't bottle into his 80s and 90s. < Message edited by KentOhio -- 5/11/2008 12:21:34 AM > (in reply to lobeycat) Post #: 18

RE: any help...THANKS! - 5/11/2008 6:37:13 AM    lobeycat Posts: 3803 Joined: 9/8/2003 From: RED SOX Nation Status: offline quote: Our friend August Ziegenhagen was 70 in 1910. I have a feeling he didn't bottle into his 80s and 90s. Why? Was he bottling them in his living room, by hand? did he retire to the islands? < Message edited by lobeycat -- 5/11/2008 6:41:37 AM > _____________________________ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RD8XDgVe2EU long lost recipe (in reply to KentOhio) Post #: 19

RE: any help...THANKS! - 5/11/2008 9:35:07 AM    amblypygi Posts: 453 Joined: 4/6/2004 From: Western Massachusetts Status: offline Well, we agree to disagree then, I think that bottle looks like about 1900 and I've seen a ****load of them too. You may be correct that they were still made into the 30's, but a helluva lot more of them were made in the 00's. In my mind the "classic 20's 30's form" is more like the pic Warren posted above, clear glass, crown top, etc. Respectfully, Bub (in reply to lobeycat) Post #: 20

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