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No apology necessary. My intention was just to introduce who Bill was (and a bit about me), stress that I would print whatever new info that gets dug up so everyone would know and in my longwinded epic, gave too much (unnessary) info and it got all misconstrued to something else. I realized the next day that I just needed to have kept it simple, like the re-edited post, and it would be less for me to get messed up. I have said many times, I know what I am trying to say and think everyone else does too. :) It's the fun of being blonde - I can blame it on my hair....
From the email I got from Bill, he is planning on working this out and make a future article of it for the Fizz. Hopefully, he'll be able to get that done soon, especially since it's summer, altho he has classes during the summer too, I think - he still has less load than during regular school semesters. But as soon as he does, I'll put the info in the Fizz, as well as post it here.
Who would have thought there'd be so many different bottles for one major brand? But it's like the Orange Crush ones - my gawd, Mike Rosman (who has chronicled this extensively) has zillions of them - and all are different in some way. I have a blueprint (probably called something else in bottle lingo, but for lack of anything else to refer to it as) for a Coke bottle (one of the later patents), and it is SO specific. Each slight thing is measured in exactness down to the nth degree. But of course, Coke is just like that with everything they do (like when their attorneys went after me for being "CokeGirl."). So, I guess, from all the differences, either Seven-Up left "loopholes" that a glassmaker could run with, or they weren't as specific - or they kept changing the gameplan. But, it makes it interesting for us to try and figure out.
I also have copies of proof sets for the ACL labels. Each is "painted" with the color (on some kind of card stock) and has the bottler, date, mold # (which has helped explain those crazy numbers on some bottle's bottoms), etc. Some of them will have comments penciled on them, like white - ok (or approved), red-reject (or whatever color they have rejected in how they worded it). There's no comments as to why certain ones have not been approved, so I wonder about that.
Now, another note. There is one major collector, who is basically considered as a "reliable" source of information. He has, since day one I met him, sworn as gospel that they didn't use red during the war time. To be honest, I have never found any proof, other than some bottles missing red that normally had it, to validate this. No one from a bottling plant or bottle manufacturer has stated so. But I have never pursued it either. I guess it's really past time to clear this up as rumor, or fact.
My idea - and here's where some of you (as well as my readers) will have to help me because I am lacking the necessary tools. I have a few copies of the National Bottler and American Bottler & Carbonation, as well as a company magazine or two. From these few, I know they have about everything imaginable to "educate" the bottlers - which is a bit boring as a read for the average person (collector or otherwise), because it's all about equipment, sales and all that (I get them for the ads - and a few articles - because the ads help date things too). It could be that if any of you have copies dated during the war years, you could take a few minutes and look thru it to see if it has anything re: what to do about the red paint, rumored to be needed for the war effort (everything else is in there - so this could be too). It also seems to me that if the red paint was indeed "rationed" during those years, we'd not have cars painted red during that time, and other things.....(so if we can't find bottle information, perhaps we can validate it thru another source for red paint) Dennis (CeleryCola), if you read this - is there anything you've come across in your boxes of data that relate to this subject?
Just as Bill Lockhart debunked the "myth" that you could date a bottle by it's mold seams up the side, I'd like to either validate this rumor about red paint, or settle for all time that it's just a myth too.
I truly appreciate all the posts showing fading red paint. That, in itself, has validated that it does happen. (Which had puzzled me before, how could the white remain but the red go.)
K
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