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Re: the Rums Dry, I think mine is the older one because I remember it being a duller yellow than your nice, brighter one on the right.
I also remembered something from my notes - and also something Bill Lockhart had asked me for at one time - about the ACL process.
It is from an article in First Annual Blue Book of the National Carborator and Bottler, February 1939.
The link to a copy of it:
http://www.bottlebooks.com/ACL%201937/bottles_applied_color_labels.htm
I have the Eighth Annual Blue Book of American Carbonator & Bottler, March 1946, and looked in it. It has no details about ACL labeling process. It does have one article about labels - in the first sentence - it says if you don't use the Applied Color Labels to identify your product...then it goes on in detailed description about how to apply paper labels properly. Otherwise, it doesn't mention ACL again. I wish it had been earlier in the 40s than 1946, it may have had something about the things we are wondering about. I suspect by 1946, ACL had already been covered in previous editions and it wasn't necessary to repeart it...
But the excerpt above in the link describes the process, in 1939 anyway, in great detail. In its version, it describes the first process I mention in an earlier post, of heating the bottles after each color (and why bottles with more than one color cost more). But it goes on to explan what the "paint" is made up of - and something I missed (or at least had forgotten) from reading it ages ago. The "paint" is actually made from (colored) glass crushed into powder (or something like that), so the two, label and bottle, adhere nicely when heated in the lehr. (And yep, it is called annealing, so I at least remembered something.) It was applied by silk screen, also what I suspect was an expensive procedure.
When my edition of the Blue Book mentions ACL bottles, it tells the reader to inspect the bottles (in another article re: new bottle shipments) for proper annealment. I guess they were supposed to see if the paint was even, etc. Then they were to take random "test bottles" from here and there in the shipment and run them thru the process several times of washing, bottling and capping, to make sure they were of proper size, height, bottle thickness to hold the pressure of carbonation, etc. - for use. (I wonder how many bottlers actually did that?) Then, if the test bottles made it thru ok, then to assume the rest of the shipment was ok too and go for it.
This silk-screened process may be the pain that has become "missing" on some of our bottles. (And note the illustrated bottles for it - front and center is a Seven-Up bottle.)
It's kind of cool to see what "advice" these books gave the bottlers. If you have never seen one of these books, if you ever get the chance to - give it a thumb thru - it's worth it.
Now, to find out when the second, more economic, procedure was invented - and what it did, or didn't do, during the process. I also wonder if the missing red bottles are from the same bottle manufacturer(s), or if some of them all had problems of coming off......regardless of bottle maker.
Perhaps these silk-screened labels (that were basically hand applied) have caused the problems we are seeing - perhaps the person applying it couldn't get the paint the same thickness on each bottle, and so some had thinner labels. Or perhaps the paint powder became contaminated at some point and didn't adhere well - or the lehr wasn't at the proper temperature, which allowed the label not to stick as well to the bottle > and so they came off easily.
Interesting, isn't it?
Another thing I would like to do is have photos from everyone's collection and put them all together on one webpage so they can be more easily seen and compared with each other (along with the info posted with each one). I may do that in the next few days, as more stuff is added, and put up the link.....
K
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RE: PLEASE HELP! NOT A WAR TIME 7UP? - 
. Man if ya was one of my buds I probably would torment you to no end. As far as jealous? Na, envy sometimes jealous never. How many 7Ups I got? Not many 6 or 7 maybe. I collect by state. Being S.C.,N.C. and Ga. I do have an 8 bubble swimmer and an amber paper squat from Chstn.. If I were you I would be proud of my collection. Please post some pics. S. After all of this I would really like to see yours. I said please. From the way it sound you have an impressive collection. I try to promote this hobby without malice and hope you do the same .With my deepest regards I'm sorry if I insulted you or thought I was trying to make you look like a fool.. Pat Hall
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