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RE: NEW SODA FIZZ - 9/3/2008 11:28:38 AM    bamascavenger   Posts: 296 Joined: 9/1/2007 From: Al. Status: offline Morbious, Sounds like your philosophy could apply to no limit texas holdem poker? You ever played that game much? We go to Tunica Ms. All the time and you will see me at the poker tables, I use to be a blackjack man but now you hardly see any tabels like you use to. Probably because of the popularity of the no limit game. Anyway, I see your thoughts and appreciate your philosophy. Did that not seem comical to you about playing well with others or did i come across with my wacked sense of humor the wrong way again? Thank you for the compliment of our services. Hope everyone comes home soon, we have been  over there way too long. (in reply to morbious_fod) Post #: 21

RE: NEW SODA FIZZ - 9/3/2008 6:12:42 PM    morbious_fod   Posts: 753 Joined: 3/4/2007 From: The backwoods of the backwoods, Virginia Status: offline No I can't say I have played the game, I've played poker; however, I couldn't tell you which kind. I got what you were going for with the not playing well with others, I was just trying to clarify what I was talking about, so that you didn't think I was just jumping on you. I agree it is time to bring them home; however, we do have to finish the job or all those lives will have been lost in vain. (in reply to bamascavenger) Post #: 22

RE: NEW SODA FIZZ - 10/4/2008 2:16:50 AM    thesodafizz   Posts: 167 Joined: 1/13/2008 Status: offline Sorry I am a bit behind in reading (and commenting to) posts, but I wanted to make a small comment here. When Bill sent me the Note to include in the Soda Fizz, we went back and forth with a few emails about it over those weeks and I hope to clarify one point. When Bill wrote the comment, it was after your first email (or perhaps second, but at least very early in your correspondence about the bottle). When he wrote "angry collector," it would have been more along the meaning of a collector who was angry, or upset, about the bottle. I had meant to change the first line to reflect that, "a collector who was upset" but forgot to make the change because I was trying hard to get the issue finished in time to get it printed to take to York (the FOHBC Expo) so I'd have it for the PSBCA meeting there. I had spent two weeks doing the souvenir program (which usually takes me only 3-4 days to do) because of constant changes made to things I'd thought I was done with, and was frustrated that I only had about 3 days left before the show to do the issue (plus, was beginning to get sick at that point). So, it went out without me making the change. So, Bama, you aren't (weren't) an angry collector, just one that was upset at that moment. By the time the issue went to print, much water had gone under the bridge and many ideas, rumors, as well as facts, had come out of the initial post/email/question - which really required that line of Bill's original email to me for the Fizz to need changed. I apologize for forgetting to do that....... K (in reply to morbious_fod) Post #: 23

RE: NEW SODA FIZZ - 10/4/2008 2:06:24 PM    bamascavenger   Posts: 296 Joined: 9/1/2007 From: Al. Status: offline Thats ok Kathy, I made my point that he is no authority on 7ups, There is no documentation and way too many variations to say what is definitive or not. The other day a man told me that his BIBLE for cokes was PETRETTIS' and it was never wrong. My conversation with him was on the Christmas 25, 1923 Hobble he had listed on ebay and he gave the dates that they were made. He said Petretti listed them as being made until 1937. and until i had a better authority on it he would stick to his book. Well, seems even the infamous PETRETTI is wrong too, I have a HUNTSVILLE, ALA 1923 DATED, 1939! I wrote and told him that I had one in hand i was now the authority and you can never believe what all books say, they were written by us humans and naturally we try to be correct. If Petretti needs to look at mine an update his book, he is more than welcome to. A member on here also said he digs the 38 and 39's all the time. So.....I never take one persons word about anything nor one book. It comes from my Investigation background i guess. I have tried to focus more on being polite and concise and to the point whenever i post from now on. I have enough enemies. BAM BAM. < Message edited by bamascavenger -- 10/4/2008 2:09:54 PM > _____________________________ Army Rangers Lead The Way! (in reply to thesodafizz) Post #: 24

RE: NEW SODA FIZZ - 10/5/2008 4:34:03 AM    thesodafizz   Posts: 167 Joined: 1/13/2008 Status: offline If there's one thing I have learned since doing the Soda Fizz (and being a collector) is that just when you think you've figured it out, something new comes along and changes everything. So many people think just because I do the Fizz that I know everything - geez, I wish I did. But, what does come out of it is that there's more people involved so there's a better chance of coming to an accurate answer, or at least point in the right direction of it. But unless that effort is made, it leaves too much in the dark. I am happy to be a part of what gets the word out, but never claimed to be the expert (in anything except layout, which I don't even claim to be an expert at that - just enough to get the job done). It's fun to learn tho - and the people you meet along the way makes it more fun - and keeps it interesting. I don't think Bill meant to be an expert on 7Up bottles. It was just an article he did for me (for the Fizz) because he had come across enough 7Up bottles to do one. He's an archaeologist moreso than an expert on ACL bottles. His main area of collecting is the area he lives in, El Paso, Tex. and New Mexico bottles. HIs articles for Bottles and Extras take considerable time to write, with others helping hands, and deals with bottles in a more general aspect, whiskies, milks, sodas, beers, etc., for each manufacturer. He (and what he calls his BRG - Bottle Research Group) has basically rewritten Toulouse's bottle mark book with newer, updated info for many of the manufacturers of glass. He (alone) takes those larger articles and pulls the soda info out of them, elaborates as much as he can on the sodas and shares them for the Fizz. I've worked with him for the past six years and have found him to be a great guy who really enjoys writing for the hobby he also enjoys being a part of. Right now he's upset that the FOHBC basically let me off without so much as a thank you or even a kiss my..... They didn't even have the guts to tell me out right, they sent a vague letter asking for whatever "material" I had on hand for the magazine. Hopefully, he'll keep contributing to the Fizz and give us an opportunity to ask questions, make comments, add info - whatever it takes to get it right. Without the effort, it can't happen. Which reminds me, I will begin the next two issues of the Fizz next week (if nothing else happens and the hospital can make it a little while without me on it's "guest" list). So, if any of you have questions or comments for Member's Network, photos to share, short (or long) articles or ideas, whatever, I'd love to have it. I have four issues to try and do by the end of the year (sending two at a time for the next two times) and need good stuff to fill them up nicely. I can use all the help I can get - after all, I can't do this all by myself (and don't want to). If I do, it's only one person's opinions, ideas, knowledge - mine - and that's not why I started doing the Fizz. K (in reply to bamascavenger) Post #: 25

RE: NEW SODA FIZZ - 10/5/2008 4:51:29 AM    thesodafizz   Posts: 167 Joined: 1/13/2008 Status: offline One more comment, about Petretti. While doing Bottles and Extras, one of my authors made a comment early on about Petretti. I guess it's a true one because he helped Petretti do his first book (and perhaps the second one), and stopped helping him because he said Petretti doesn't make accuracy a priority. He said he'd value something high in the book if he had it, lower if he didn't - as well as some other things. I have a couple or three of Petretti's guides, but use them mainly for the photos. Since my author's description of his business practices, I haven't trusted him for more than that. Alos, if you notice in his "guides" - there'll be one value given in one place, and a totally different one in another (such as the color pages of the same items listed elsewhere in the black/white sections). That, in a way, verifys that he has changed values (once he obtained the item?), and just forgot it was more than one place in the book. (For example, I remember looking up a plate in the book. One place it was valued at $?50, the other, $2500. Quite a difference!) I have also noticed the dates. If one uses ads (which are dated) to indicate the years a slogan, or particular bottle or label, etc. were used, it's easy to spot date ranges given in the book as messed up. Also, most manufacturers marked the bottles, giving ranges well outside those in Petretti's books as well. I guess he thought we weren't paying attention. When I began collecting, Petretti's "guides" did keep me from making an expensive mistake or two and I never went on a bottle quest without it (and BJ Summers'). Now, I am no expert - by far, but the Petretti books stay at home..... I do use them, on occasion, for a photo (if I can't get a good one on my own, or my item isn't available - or I don't have it and want to illustrate an article or something with it) - or just to see if it's even listed. But it's rarity I am more interested in than whatever drivel is written about it. Or dimensions of signs or trays that may indicate whether the one I am looking at is the real deal, or not. Or to identify "fantasy items." Otherwise, they just collect dust....... K (in reply to thesodafizz) Post #: 26

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