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RE: 5 Matthews gravitational glass stoppers - 12/31/2008 10:31:58 PM    RED Matthews Posts: 2396 Joined: 8/2/2008 Status: online Hi you all,  Well I escaped the big knife and saw, so far.  The surgery was done today and I still have my toe.  I have to take six weeks of IV antibiotics every day.  If it heals, I can keep it.   X-fingers and pray!  Thanks for them - I feel they have to have helped.  RED M _____________________________ http://www.bottlemysteries.com/welcome/ (in reply to blobbottlebob) Post #: 21

RE: 5 Matthews gravitational glass stoppers - 12/31/2008 10:50:34 PM    blobbottlebob Posts: 3663 Joined: 12/20/2005 From: Wisconsin Status: offline Congrats Red on one hurtle! Prayers, hopes, and best wishes that all turns out well. (in reply to RED Matthews) Post #: 22

RE: 5 Matthews gravitational glass stoppers - 12/31/2008 11:40:58 PM    sweetrelease Posts: 1174 Joined: 7/20/2006 From: newport, nj Status: offline sorry bob i should have emailed you on this before i posted .not tring to jump your post ,but i will get my wife to scan and post the pics of the ads and so on. seems to me the stopper's are the same ,but than again what do i know~matt  oh yea glad everything went well RED ,good luck!! < Message edited by sweetrelease -- 1/1/2009 8:37:55 AM > (in reply to blobbottlebob) Post #: 23

RE: 5 Matthews gravitational glass stoppers - 1/1/2009 11:50:21 AM    capsoda Posts: 9832 Joined: 11/15/2005 From: Seminole,Alabama, USA Status: offline Great Red. Hope all keeps going your way. _____________________________ Warren Diggin down in Dixie, USA Work is for people who don't dig bottles President, Panhandle Cruisers http://www.panhandlecruisers.org/ http://www.bornagainamerican.org (in reply to sweetrelease) Post #: 24

RE: 5 Matthews gravitational glass stoppers - 1/1/2009 12:36:15 PM    blobbottlebob Posts: 3663 Joined: 12/20/2005 From: Wisconsin Status: offline Sweetrelease. I'm glad that you jumped into the discussion. Don't worry about a thing. I'm also curious as to what those stoppers are. There was a lot of competition out there to invent and sell the perfect closure. Somebody on this forum probably knows the number, but there were thousands of patents used on bottle closures. Some companies (like the Hutchinson patented stopper co) tried vigorously to defend its patents against look-a-likes. Maybe you could take a digital picture of the page and post that? I don't know much about scanning but a magazine would seem harder to scan unless you cut it up? (in reply to sweetrelease) Post #: 25

RE: 5 Matthews gravitational glass stoppers - 1/1/2009 2:55:43 PM    sweetrelease Posts: 1174 Joined: 7/20/2006 From: newport, nj Status: offline here you go bob. the pics are bad but you can read some of it. notice the one pic of the stopper in the bottle ,looks just like the matthews stopper ~matt Attachment (1) (in reply to blobbottlebob) Post #: 26

RE: 5 Matthews gravitational glass stoppers - 1/1/2009 2:56:59 PM    sweetrelease Posts: 1174 Joined: 7/20/2006 From: newport, nj Status: offline sorry about all the post ,it won't let me copy and paste . this is the picture of the stopper in the tucker bottle. Attachment (1) < Message edited by sweetrelease -- 1/1/2009 2:57:52 PM > (in reply to sweetrelease) Post #: 27

RE: 5 Matthews gravitational glass stoppers - 1/1/2009 2:58:27 PM    sweetrelease Posts: 1174 Joined: 7/20/2006 From: newport, nj Status: offline more! Attachment (1) (in reply to sweetrelease) Post #: 28

RE: 5 Matthews gravitational glass stoppers - 1/1/2009 2:59:51 PM    sweetrelease Posts: 1174 Joined: 7/20/2006 From: newport, nj Status: offline you can almost read it Attachment (1) (in reply to sweetrelease) Post #: 29

RE: 5 Matthews gravitational glass stoppers - 1/1/2009 3:11:28 PM    blobbottlebob Posts: 3663 Joined: 12/20/2005 From: Wisconsin Status: offline Pretty cool! Is there a patent date? Matthews is Oct. 11, 1864. I've never seen a bottle that displayed this type of closure (at least around here). You're right, though. It is very very similar to the Matthews stopper. Some differences that I can see after a quick look. One - the bottle has very strong shoulders like a hutch. The Matthews bottles have this 'transitional' torpedo sloping shoulder. It allowed for the stopper to sink down (if I understand this correctly) when the bottle was held upside-down. That is, the stopper - which was inside the bottle - would not get hung up on the shoulders of the bottle on the inside because they curved towards the opening. Two- the rubber gasket looks much smaller. The Matthews seal is like a little black rubber hat with a large brim around it. The seal on this Roorbach one looks like a ring of rubber that only fits around the neck of the stopper. Interesting stuff! (in reply to sweetrelease) Post #: 30

RE: 5 Matthews gravitational glass stoppers - 1/1/2009 3:14:06 PM    blobbottlebob Posts: 3663 Joined: 12/20/2005 From: Wisconsin Status: offline Another slight difference is the shape of the stopper. The Matthews stopper has a ridge on the end meant to hold the rubber to the stopper. The Roorbach looks like it has a smooth end because the rubber fits tightly on the neck. (in reply to blobbottlebob) Post #: 31

RE: 5 Matthews gravitational glass stoppers - 1/1/2009 3:30:15 PM    cyberdigger Posts: 12319 Joined: 11/29/2008 From: I 195 @ US 9, NJ USA Status: offline I found this.. scroll down a bit and it has something about the matthews stopper.. http://www.sha.org/bottle/closures.htm ..or if you aren't in to scrolling: http://www.sha.org/bottle/closures.htm#Gravitating%20Stopper ..oh, this website is right here on ABN under "resources" ..now I know < Message edited by cyberdigger -- 1/1/2009 5:21:07 PM > (in reply to blobbottlebob) Post #: 32

RE: 5 Matthews gravitational glass stoppers - 1/2/2009 1:13:44 AM    blobbottlebob Posts: 3663 Joined: 12/20/2005 From: Wisconsin Status: offline Thanks for the links. Bill Lindsey has a great site. If I'm not mistaken, he has some of my stoppers pictured there. (I could be wrong). He does mention Albertson. Specifically, that Matthews was an associate of his. As far as how it worked - If I may quote;   It consists of an elongated glass plug with a flared knob on one end.  A rubber gasket was placed on the upper end of the knob which when placed in the bottle sealed the contents by pressing against the inside surface of the bottle at the juncture of the neck and shoulder.  The bottle was "...filled in an upright position, then inverted so the stopper would gravitate into closed position, and be held there by the inside pressure when the bottle was removed (from the filling machine)."    Another thing that he mentions is that the stoppers were not always glass (like the ones in this auction). They could be made of other things like hardwood. Here is an example from my collection.   Attachment (1) (in reply to RED Matthews) Post #: 33

RE: 5 Matthews gravitational glass stoppers - 1/2/2009 1:16:33 AM    blobbottlebob Posts: 3663 Joined: 12/20/2005 From: Wisconsin Status: offline Interestingly, this stopper was found from a bottle that has both names Albertson and Matthews on it. The bottler was Otto Zwietusch from Milwaukee. Attachment (1) (in reply to blobbottlebob) Post #: 34

RE: 5 Matthews gravitational glass stoppers - 1/2/2009 1:22:22 AM    blobbottlebob Posts: 3663 Joined: 12/20/2005 From: Wisconsin Status: offline So, Sweetrelease, my final guess is that Roorbach was a competitor with a bottle closure that didn't catch on (nationally) quite as well. That makes them an oddity. If you have one, there's some joy in collecting a local oddball that nobody else made. In my experience, even regular Matthews bottles are hard to find. Those Roorbachs have got to be near impossible for national collectors to get. Unless the guy bottled zillions of them and somebody dug up many many many examples. Then, all bets are off. . . (in reply to sweetrelease) Post #: 35

RE: 5 Matthews gravitational glass stoppers - 1/2/2009 5:25:51 PM    sweetrelease Posts: 1174 Joined: 7/20/2006 From: newport, nj Status: offline bob i wish i had one of the stoppers. i do have a bottle that used it though. it is a penna bottling & supply co bottle that i thought was a hutch for years.. the bottle has an embossed roorbach stopper on it. when i was looking around for info on this bottle an old timer showed me the article about roorbach and my bottle only in squat form was pictured in it. ~matt < Message edited by sweetrelease -- 1/2/2009 5:27:08 PM > (in reply to blobbottlebob) Post #: 36

RE: 5 Matthews gravitational glass stoppers - 1/2/2009 7:58:47 PM    blobbottlebob Posts: 3663 Joined: 12/20/2005 From: Wisconsin Status: offline That's still pretty cool Matt. There was a a local bottler that used a spiral spring stopper here and the things are just about impossible to get. Just having the bottle is really something. (in reply to sweetrelease) Post #: 37

RE: 5 Matthews gravitational glass stoppers - 1/2/2009 8:00:39 PM    blobbottlebob Posts: 3663 Joined: 12/20/2005 From: Wisconsin Status: offline About one hour left on this auction for the site . . . High bidder gets the five glass Matthews stoppers shipping included. Thanks for the great discussions too everybody. (in reply to blobbottlebob) Post #: 38

RE: 5 Matthews gravitational glass stoppers - 1/2/2009 8:35:43 PM    sweetrelease Posts: 1174 Joined: 7/20/2006 From: newport, nj Status: offline thanks bob ,you seem like a good dude! lookin forward to more of your post! ~matt (in reply to blobbottlebob) Post #: 39

RE: 5 Matthews gravitational glass stoppers - 1/2/2009 9:08:49 PM    blobbottlebob Posts: 3663 Joined: 12/20/2005 From: Wisconsin Status: offline Red Matthews is the winner! Thanks for your bids everyone. Hey Red. I will also include a fragment of one of those broken bottles if you want. I could cut it down into a pen holder??? (This will have the Matthews embossing on the bottom). Just let me know. As far as payment, we can do it however you would like. You can donate righ to the site or send it to me and I will. Also, you will need to PM me your mailing address. Thanks again! (in reply to RED Matthews) Post #: 40

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