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RE: My first complete Iron Pontil, and a dandy to boot! - 10/23/2009 8:41:06 AM   
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WOW!  I'm a soda man but that is one fine bottle I must say.  I know I would keep it.  Next question is....to clean or not to clean?  I'd probably leave that one the way it is.

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RE: My first complete Iron Pontil, and a dandy to boot! - 10/23/2009 8:50:37 AM   
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We both happen to know of a prominent collector in your home town that will be selling a very nice local collection... One very cool bottle from a place far far away or 15 extremely rare local sodas and beers. Hmmmm. I know what I'd choose. There are so many different opinions about what you should do with the jar and all of them carry some merit, that I understand... Me, I'd sell it in a heart beat and put some money towards bills and some towards bottles. In the end the only right thing to do is what you want... there will be be plenty of time for regret in the future :)

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RE: My first complete Iron Pontil, and a dandy to boot! - 10/23/2009 12:58:04 PM   
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First pontilled bottle dug, colored, and rare as all get out to boot!  I'm tickled for you, Plums.  It gives hope to all those later dumps out there.  Sell it?  Things would have to get pretty bad before I'd let it go.  

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RE: My first complete Iron Pontil, and a dandy to boot! - 10/23/2009 3:11:48 PM   
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Congrats Stephen. what a wonderfull 1st pontil. that is one to be proud of for sure and if you can I would say keep it!

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RE: My first complete Iron Pontil, and a dandy to boot! - 10/23/2009 3:58:59 PM   
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fantastic....theres nothing i can say that won't be a repeat that anyone else has said ...but maybe to apease the wife sellin some of your commons or doubles to pay bills and finding a earth quake and people proof case to show it off in. the bottle gods must love you...

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RE: My first complete Iron Pontil, and a dandy to boot! - 10/23/2009 10:10:51 PM   
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CONGRATS!!!!!

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RE: My first complete Iron Pontil, and a dandy to boot! - 10/23/2009 11:49:55 PM   
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That's a cool story, one we all dream of being able to tell.  Just having the bottle, you know you'll never be stuck. 

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RE: My first complete Iron Pontil, and a dandy to boot! - 10/24/2009 7:47:39 AM   
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Plumb, very cool story and congrats on that great pickle.  Good luck with your next dig.  Paul

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RE: My first complete Iron Pontil, and a dandy to boot! - 10/24/2009 9:09:16 AM   
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Hey Stephen,
I was thinking that you should submit that story to AB&GC You may be able to turn that story into a fish bitters! You sure can write. Do it.
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RE: My first complete Iron Pontil, and a dandy to boot! - 10/25/2009 8:27:43 PM   
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one word DUDE!

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RE: My first complete Iron Pontil, and a dandy to boot! - 10/27/2009 10:55:31 PM   
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I found a 12 inch variant listed in the antique trader 2008 price guide for $800 - $1600. A 9" might be worth quite a bit more. Definitely one of the nicest cathedral pickles I've seen! Good find!  

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RE: My first complete Iron Pontil, and a dandy to boot! - 10/28/2009 1:27:56 AM   
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stephen, i love you like family but i will say this once more just so you know im serious. if you sell it i will beat you like a red headed step child. if you sell it, you will have the immediate joys of money but years of regret and sorrow. one day, when you are ready to settle down with a family, then it will be the down payment on a home for you. think about that.

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RE: My first complete Iron Pontil, and a dandy to boot! - 10/28/2009 4:38:21 PM   
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First off... WOW! What a Dig!!! No doubt a rare find for sure. I will tell you one thing without a doubt, take plenty of pictures! Document that find for all its worth! If you do decide to sell it you will be glad you did. Even if you keep it, there are NO guarantees in life. It could get destroyed someday and you would wish you had MORE pictures of it.
As far as selling it goes, just ask yourself is this... are you willing to PAY what it's worth to keep it??? By turning down any offer you are basically SPENDING that money to keep it. Someday the price may go up, but it might not??? Unless I collected pickles or it was a local, I would sell it in a heartbeat!!! Keep in mind though that my first pontil was an unembossed med... and it's still sitting on the shelf!!! LOL Either way, it was your lucky day! Enjoy it no matter what you decide to do with it!

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RE: My first complete Iron Pontil, and a dandy to boot! - 10/28/2009 8:11:48 PM   
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If I found that, I would be compelled to START collecting jars.. Keep it if you can afford it.I just sold a bunch of my bottles, and it hurts.Save it for an emergency or something nice.It`s gonna hold it`s value.A piece like that will always be in demand.

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RE: My first complete Iron Pontil, and a dandy to boot! - 10/29/2009 8:06:01 AM   
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That's one sweet looking bottle, Congrats.

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RE: My first complete Iron Pontil, and a dandy to boot! - 10/29/2009 12:43:33 PM   
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Good glass ain't coming down in value until the Rapture.  Then, it won't matter.

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RE: My first complete Iron Pontil, and a dandy to boot! - 10/30/2009 3:47:47 AM   
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Many thanks to all of you who provided your opinions, congratulations, and advice. Unfortunately, the excitement which this find has caused here does not reflect my own.

After a week of letting the impact of the find settle, I arrived at a very comforting realization. I have collected old crap since I was 5, and for the majority of my life I have been fascinated with old things regardless of the value placed upon the items by other people, or the antiques and antiquities market in general. It is the personal value which is most important, not the awe and jealousy reflected in the eyes of outside observers which gives me my satisfaction. I still appreciate my Peoria bottle finds more than anything, and any singular find which was not recorded in the local bottle books means more to me than a known pickle, despite the fact that its monetary value far exceeds any local bottle find I've yet uncovered.

It seems that many collectors have been corrupted by the trends of the market, and collect that which commands a good price because of the prestige and glory associated with such high-value items, and lately I have been concerned with the influences of society upon my collecting interests. This find has laid to rest all such worries. I still retain much of the innocence and pure love and joy of collecting which I held when I was in elementary school, and although I use the language of monetary value to relate the significance of certain finds to other people, my internalized categorization scheme is still mostly untainted, and quite different from what I express to others. To put in better perspective, a worthless cracked and chipped bottle which was not previously known by living people before I dug it means so much more to me than digging a 3,500 dollar pickle. That former kind of true discovery makes me happy, not the uncovering of something which, for whatever reason, is worth a great deal on the open market. I greatly appreciate the opportunity to dig something of such desirability, but I feel that I do not deserve such a find. To me, it is worth less than a 15 dollar unlisted pharmacy, so I will have no problem with letting it go when I am in need of the money. My aforementioned position does not indicate that I don't enjoy turning a profit from my finds and purchases; we all need to support our habits somehow, but it seems that I don't let the market dictate my interests.  As ancientdigger wisely stated, I should wait until I have something better to convert it into, but when that time comes I will have no regrets. It may well be the best bottle I've ever found and ever will find according to the standards of established collectors, but to me, personally, it is about a forty places down the list of my favorite bottles.

Perhaps I am insane, but the fact remains that its personal significance is very little. The implications of this fact provides me with a great deal of solace and satisfaction, and I sincerely hope that my position will not be shaken by the trends of the outside world in the future. I honestly wish that all of you will be able to find something far "better" than this pickle at some point during your adventures, if you haven't already, and I also hope that you realize that the value which the outside world places on your find should in no way be internalized as your own perception of personal value. We can't take this old glass with us, so why waste our finite years worrying about what other people think? Do that which you personally love, and don't give a damn about what other people see in it. If collecting 5 dollar ABM deco sodas makes you more happy than anything else, then don't let anyone take your appreciation and love such things away from you by belittling your beloved collections.

This fortuitous find taught me many things about myself and my involvement with the realm of collecting antiques and antiquities, and it is those realizations which hold the true value, not the bottle itself.



Anyway, here are some better pictures of the bottle, which should be far more interesting than my longwinded explanation of personal value:









Also, I went back to the site and dug it out, and the only somewhat significant find was another one of these:




Best regards, y'all.


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RE: My first complete Iron Pontil, and a dandy to boot! - 10/30/2009 4:03:16 AM   
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PRICES ARE DOWN ON MANY BOTTLES,BUT FOR A BOTTLE LIKE THAT? I THINK WE WOULD BOTH BE SURPRISED WHAT IT WOULD BRING!! I HAVE SEEN COLORED CATHEDRAL PICKLES AND PEPPER SAUCES STILL GOING FOR GOOD BUCKS! SOME PEOPLE STILL HAVE PLENTY OF MONEY AND THESE PEOPLE WANT THE BEST AND I THINK YOUR COLORED CATHEDRAL PICKLE FITS IN THAT CATAGORY! THOUGH IT HAS SOME HAZE THAT SHOULD BE EASILY REMEDIED,DIGGER RY WOULD KNOW MORE ON THAT. BEAUTIFUL!!! JAMIE

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RE: My first complete Iron Pontil, and a dandy to boot! - 10/30/2009 11:38:46 AM   
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Wow, Plumbata, all I can say is AMEN. I wish I wrote that "long winded" explanation myself. I can almost get myself to that place where you are at, but my lust for the high value - big dollar stuff often gets the best of me. I can't help it. But reading your philosophy on it may help me right my ways, as weird as that sounds.
As far as collecting and digging, I find that the best part is the hunt and the dig. The money end of it usually leaves me bummed out, whether I win or lose. It has started making more sense for me to keep valuable and interesting shards from my digs. From a collectors standpoint, I find them just as beautiful and interesting to collect and display, and condition isn't a concern.

Nothing is more annoying than to have to worry about a microscopic flake on a lip of a bottle you have put money into, or get into one of those " is that a crack, or an in-manufacture cooling stress fissure bla bla bla". Takes the fun out of the hobby for me.
Thats why I've backed off from dealing in top of the line stuff. Who needs the stress.
But like I say, I still cave in to my lust from time to time. Maybe nows a good time to stop :)

But man, what a pickle...

Thanks for writing all that.
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