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RE: pulled my post off? - 3/18/2010 12:52:07 PM   
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Nothing makes you feel quite as good as imposing your values on others.


I hardly think stating my opinion or position is in any way imposing.  I personally HATE racism, with the utmost intensity.  Is that a bad thing?  Can't we all just get along?

It's not like I'd really kill someone for their beliefs, or destroy their culture.  Wait, did you just compare me to the Taliban?  That's not cool man. 


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RE: pulled my post off? - 3/18/2010 2:40:44 PM   
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I RESPONDED TO THE POST AND TOLD OF THE HISTORY OF THE KKK AND HOW THEY GOT THEIR 2ND WIND IN 1915,WHICH DATE WAS ON THE OBJECT IN QUESTION.

IT STARTED UP AGAIN AT STONE MOUNTAIN GEORGIA,1915 WITH A HUGE BONFIRE AND A BURNING OF A CROSS.

THESE ITEMS BOTHER ME,JUST A PERSONAL THING AND I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH OTHERS COLLECTING THINGS LIKE THIS.

THE THING IS FOR ME THE KKK AND THE NAZIS WERE BOTH ALIKE IN THEY ONLY BELIEVED IN ONE RACE AND WANTED TO STAMP ALL OTHERS OUT.HATE IS BEHIND IT.

MY DAD FOUGHT IN WW2 AGAINST THIS AND WAS WOUNDED.ALSO HE SAW HIS FRIENDS GETTING KILLED ALL AROUND HIM BY THE NAZIS.

THAT IS WHY SUCH OBJECTS BOTHER ME PERSONALLY,I DO NOT SAY DESTROY THEM,IN FACT THEY COULD BE USED AS TEACHING TOOLS TO EXPLAIN THE HATE BEHIND THEM,THAT WAS ALL THERE WAS TO MY PART:IT IS JUST A PERSONAL THING WITH ME.

I ALSO HAVE PROBLEMS WITH ITEMS DUG OUT OF NATIVE AMERICAN GRAVES.KNEW A GUY THAT DID IT,HE WAS A GOOD FRIEND,BUT I WANTED NO PART OF HIS COLLECTION WHEN HE SOLD IT,EVEN THOUGH THERE WERE UNBELIEVEABLE BOWLS ,SPEAR HEADS,ON AND ON. ONE OF THE BIGGEST AND BEST COLLECTIONS OWNED BY AN INDIVIDUAL I HAVE EVER SEEN! JAMIE

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RE: pulled my post off? - 3/18/2010 9:56:01 PM   
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As Jamie said the KKK didn't start out as a racist hate group. Read up on your history. History is history. It's in the past. I guess I don't understand why someone would want to destroy history intentionally....? Then again us bottle diggers are destroying history right?

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RE: pulled my post off? - 3/19/2010 7:34:55 AM   
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Don't blame Woody or any other Admin's, I am the person who asked that it be pulled due to some objectional stuff written halfway thru the post by another member. Your original post had nothing to do with it and I enjoy history good or bad and I was enjoying the pic's and the story behind the badge itself. That being said there is a time and a place, in my personal opinion, for some of the stuff that followed and I was extremely insulted by what was written by another member. I am sorry the whole post was tossed and not just the objectional material, a sensible discussion by sensible people should always be welcome and I look forward to any other posts you have about the badge and it's origins.....
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RE: pulled my post off? - 3/19/2010 7:21:33 PM   
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RE: pulled my post off? - 3/19/2010 10:39:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: CanYaDigIt

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In America you CAN be a racist or not, you can hate or love who you want with out being put to death by the government for doing so.



Sad but true.  I'd gladly knock off every last racist piece of crap I came across.  With a smile on my face.  I'd make a freakin holiday out of it.  Even Albert Einstein said that racism and pejudice will be the downfall of mankind.  I'm pretty sure he was no dummy. 

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just a quick thought, why not remove the ones causing the problem and leave the rest? Punish the majority because of the minority gee sounds like congress!!


Like I said first.  Most likely taking steps to prevent problems.  But why remove the whole post?  Because Admin or a moderator wanted to, that's why, period.  No need to make a big fuss about it.  If you want a forum that allows garbage just because "Hey, it's our first amendment right" then by all means create one, moderate one, and pay for one.  Otherwise, reread the agreement we ALL agreed to when we joined and quit acting like dummies. 

PS:  Anyone else seen that movie Capitalism: A Love Story by Michael Moore?  Great flick.  Yep, I'm one of those bozos.


In this country we have a right to our opinions no matter how backward or idiotic they may seem to others. Anytime we seek to silence those who hold opinions that we don't happen to agree with or like then we become the monsters that we want to vanquish. If their opinions are full of hatred then that's fine, you can't punish someone for hating, if we could then we would all be locked up because we all have someone we hate. As Marilyn Manson said it best, "everyone is someone elses N-word", freak that he may be, he is right. Everyone hates someone, and everyone is hated, it's human nature. Thank the Maker that in this country we at least pay lip service to respecting the right for someone have an unpopular opinion. Unfortunately political correctness goons, who think they have the God given right to dictate what others say and think, have gained too much sway in this country. People have the right in a free society to be a bigoted racist moron, and I will fight and die for their right to do so; however, when they act violently upon that opinion that's when I will step in. You are not guaranteed the right to not be offended. If we don't stand up for the right for others to their opinions, no matter how wrong they may be, then we don't deserve the right to our own opinions. Freedom of Speech isn't there to protect accepted speech, it is there to protect controversial or un-accepted speech.

We can learn to tolerate each other; however, we can't stop people from being racist idiots on all sides. KKK, Nazis, Taliban, Communists, Political Correctness, history is replete with morons who only want one thing, and that's to destroy or oppress that which they don't agree with or outright hate. Yet I don't think that the suppression of certain portions of our history, in order to appeal to the tastes of those who would much rather whitewash history instead of learn from it, is the logical way to approach those events, people, or actions, that keep seeping through the white wash as black splotches. Destroying or suppressing artifacts from those organizations or periods is doubly illogical, because if future generations aren't able to see the physical proof that these events existed, then they will tend to forget them and the lessons we learned from them, and history will repeat itself. Infamy attracts interest, that is why Confederate Battle Flags, Jolly Rogers, and Nazi flags are such great sellers, humans by are very nature are attracted to that which polite society deems too offensive or dangerous. The same goes for the artifacts from these groups as well.

If the post was getting out of hand then I agree with the actions of the administrators, this is their house after all and those who are allowed to come here must respect that fact.

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RE: pulled my post off? - 3/19/2010 11:53:57 PM   
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The lameness is palpable here.  ~~~~~~~~brrrrrrrr~~~~~~~~

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RE: pulled my post off? - 3/20/2010 8:29:59 AM   
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Aaron ya just can't run around and say things like you did and not be imposing. I think it was the word "destroy" that got me. Ya might not like some things, so learn how to deal w/ em. 

What would ya do w/ these?

Racist, me? No, I just don't suffer "White Guilt"






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RE: pulled my post off? - 3/20/2010 8:38:56 AM   
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Lame, I'd agree, plus I'd say someone here is a li or just has a hard time remembering the truth.

Musta been the NYT article .
Being bested by me must be getting old.

I hate playing nice, but I can do it w/ no name calling.


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RE: pulled my post off? - 3/20/2010 5:18:34 PM   
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I WANT TO SAY I AIN'T "GOODY GOODY" CAUSE I KNOW WHAT A SOME O BITNCH I CAN BE! [HELL ASK NINA!] BUT I CAN SAY I HATE NO ONE! SO FAR AND THAT IS PRETTY COOL SINSE I AM 56. COURSE I TRY TO HANG WITH COOL PEACEFUL PEOPLE THAT HELPS.
I HAVE BEEN IN SITUATIONS WHERE I ENDED UP WITH A KILLER OR TWO WHILE I WAS DRUNK. GEEZ,GOT ALONG WITH THEM LIKE THEY WERE MY LONG LOST....? DON'T GET THAT WAY ARE IN THOSE SITUATIONS NO MORE.

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RE: pulled my post off? - 3/20/2010 5:25:10 PM   
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I just hate people, period. You'd never know it though.. 

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RE: pulled my post off? - 3/20/2010 9:55:53 PM   
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I have to vote with you on that one Cyber. People are just annoying.

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RE: pulled my post off? - 3/22/2010 12:37:36 AM   
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.....yeah.....




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RE: pulled my post off? - 3/22/2010 1:15:28 AM   
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oh by the way....nice Negro figural's Pat! A nice bit of America's history. I'd say they're worth $80-$100 'round these here parts. Appraisal given to add a bit of credibility to my post only.


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RE: pulled my post off? - 3/22/2010 1:49:05 AM   
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i can see gettin a little steamed,, well a LOT steamed about nazi and kkk stuff it's part of this country's history. if we don't learn from our mistakes then we are doomed .people want to change ideals of this country ... this country was founded by people who got sick of tryants imposing their ideals on them . thats why we have freedoms that other countries  don't .  i myself am what they use to call a "mug rump" (not sure about that) my heads on one side and my rumps on the other. i grew up in the 60's and 70's . wild in high school and turned a little conservative in the 80's. i'm ranting now . i'm a life member of the N.R.A.   . i believe in the constitution . this forum has given me support and pleasure and friends i  never seen before . the job the admin's. of this forum are doing a great job, i wouldn't want to do it.  THANKS TO YOU ALL .  i'm annoying,,, right ?

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RE: pulled my post off? - 3/22/2010 2:07:17 AM   
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AIN'T WORTH THE EFFORT.

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RE: pulled my post off? - 3/22/2010 2:13:16 AM   
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well..i had to put my 2 cents in , thats all it's worth anyway...

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RE: pulled my post off? - 3/22/2010 11:14:50 AM   
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Don't blame Woody or any other Admin's, I am the person who asked that it be pulled due to some objectional stuff written halfway thru the post by another member. Your original post had nothing to do with it and I enjoy history good or bad and I was enjoying the pic's and the story behind the badge itself. That being said there is a time and a place, in my personal opinion, for some of the stuff that followed and I was extremely insulted by what was written by another member. I am sorry the whole post was tossed and not just the objectional material, a sensible discussion by sensible people should always be welcome and I look forward to any other posts you have about the badge and it's origins.....
Jim
  

Can you belive someone told a story like that, well considering who posted it I can.

Check Woodys post. It's #7 for why it was pulled Jim Bob.

This is what happened......really happened.

a] Reptilekeeper makes the original post.
b] Jamie says he hates Klansmen and Nazis
c] I make a post showing my latest Klan piece and tell Jamie how I dress my grandkids up in Nazi regalia.
d] Mr. Lobey say "Hey I've seen on of Pats kids dressed that way. Funny in a weird kinda way as that's something you just don't see" [ that is correct is it not? ]
e] epackage/ Jim Bob joins the fray and says something about what I post, and inpast post.
f]  I reply and ask him to leave it alone, or I'll make him look like a dummy again. Another post that's been pulled.                                                                           g] He replys how the South is a horrible place to live. Full all kinds of  Klansmen, Nazis and their ilk. Toothless and imbred families.                                                                                                              h] I post an artical from the N.Y. Times showing how New Jersey [Jim Bobs home state] is a hotbed for Klan and Neo-Nazi.

  Then poof it was gone, just like Keyser Soze

See Jamie it has nothing to do w/ you. You did get my reply to your PM, yes?

This line "I'm not a racist is lame" That's just to easy to say. So lets quit using it.

Mr.Lobey glad your here and have some smarts about ya. Oh yea you were spot on w/ them prices. Now how about this one? Looks different when its not on a five year olds head




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RE: pulled my post off? - 3/22/2010 12:26:31 PM   
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WOW...I feel bad that this whole thing got out of control...thank you for those who understand. I by no means are a racist of anykind HELL i am a dark skin italian boy. I found this madalion, and just trusted I could get some info from the wealth of info this group often gives. I remember a post from 2007 about a box of KKK trading cards; that is still there by the way if you search it...that post did not get this crazy so I did not think it was a big deal. I again appolagize if I offended anyone. I tried to post a photo but the file is to large.

Next time I will be a bit more sensitive to what others might think...but no matter, this type of racial mind set has always been here and will never go away as long as humans claim to dominat this planet...this is why I chose to work with animals for a living!!

...and no I do not blame the site administration...I know you have to keep a whole host of people happy!
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RE: pulled my post off? - 3/22/2010 12:53:08 PM   
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I asked Woody to pull it because I think honoring the Nazi's by dressing your grandkids up and having them Goosestep aroung your "compound" is in the worst taste possible, you're a disgrace to mankind and a completely backwoods hick. You seem to think Jews and African Americans don't collect bottles so you can spew your racist crap here, I personally think you're a complete scumbag who wouldn't dare try that in my neck of the woods. So keep making little Nazi's out of your grandkids and when they get what's coming to them from those beliefs you won't have any room to cry about, you racist !!

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