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RE: Ginger Ale Bottles wanted - 7/4/2005 5:01:42 PM    IRISH   Posts: 1238 Joined: 11/23/2002 From: cockatoo Australia Status: offline That Rowlands is a really good one , I'll send you an email if I come across a ginger ale Wilcox or any others from Oz. Your blue Tennessee ginger ale is one flash looking bottle . (in reply to IRISH) Post #: 41

RE: Ginger Ale Bottles wanted - 7/4/2005 5:03:06 PM    Ginger Ale collector   Posts: 112 Joined: 6/16/2005 Status: offline Hello John- When you suggested that I post some pictures of my ginger ale bottles I thought. "well, I should do that, but which ones would collectors want to see and know about?" I couldn't answer that, so I'm just picking here and there- and I thought this one would be most appropriate for our Amercian friends on July 4th. Attachment (1) (in reply to bubbas dad) Post #: 42

RE: Ginger Ale Bottles wanted - 7/4/2005 5:34:36 PM    Ginger Ale collector   Posts: 112 Joined: 6/16/2005 Status: offline Hi Sam- great pictures of your paper label ginger ales from Maine. What's interesting about paper label ginger ales is that many of the "brands" like Killarney and Nu-Icy were sold by extract companies. You'll see in the picture that this Killarney label is from Fairbault, Minn., and if you can make it out, it says at the bottom, "use of the title Killarney authorized by Foote & Jenks. Foote & Jenks was a large maker of extracts and flavorings and sold to bottlers around the country. The name Killarney was to harken back to the origin of ginger ale which was in Ireland. In the early days, American ginger ale was pretty punk,and had a tough time selling against the imported brands like Grattan, Cantrell & Cochrane, Ross's and few others. Early on bottlers figured out that they could slap an Irish name on their stuff, and most ginger ale drinkers would not know the difference. The extract makers caught on also. You'll see the ginger ale glass from the 1930s for Killarney. Restaurants, taverns, trains all served ginger ale and the flavor makers gave out glasses to promote their brands. Attachment (1) (in reply to Sam_MaineBottles) Post #: 43

RE: Ginger Ale Bottles wanted - 7/4/2005 5:40:06 PM    bubbas dad Posts: 1355 Joined: 3/30/2005 From: South Carolina, USA Status: offline all the bottles here are nice looking. it's hard to believe that some of these being around a hundred years old are still in such great shape. the blue one from nashville is superb. about how old is it and do you know an approx value. it looks super. _____________________________ john the older i get, the smarter my father gets! (in reply to IRISH) Post #: 44

RE: Ginger Ale Bottles wanted - 7/4/2005 5:43:04 PM    Ginger Ale collector   Posts: 112 Joined: 6/16/2005 Status: offline Thanks Irish- the Tennessee bottle is a tough bottle to get and I was in the right place at the right time. It is flash as you say- but take a look at this Nemco bottle from Boston during the roaring twenties in the states! Many of the ginger ale labels from 1890s through the 1940s in the states were like the micro-breweries today- each competing for their market share with flash labels- Attachment (1) (in reply to IRISH) Post #: 45

RE: Ginger Ale Bottles wanted - 7/4/2005 6:03:03 PM    Ginger Ale collector   Posts: 112 Joined: 6/16/2005 Status: offline Hi John, The Nashville bottle is most likely from the late 1870s to the mid 1880s. Probably somewhere in the middle. I have not researched this particular company, but I am sure that someone out there can tell us a more accurate date. The bottle style with the panels outlined with a raised rib rising up to make a pointed "arch" on the shoulder of the bottle is from that period and was a standard mold. I have quite a few in that style including roundbottoms. But only one in that COLOR!! Value? Well there are two ways to value a bottle in my opinion- one an auction price, and two, what you might see it for at a bottle show. Auction prices, well- we know that if you have two people with more money than brains, the price for a bottle can be WAY out of reality compared to its rarity. Condition is a big deal as we all know. The other way is more dependable, but harder to determine with rare bottles because you don't see them at shows to see the price, or know what it sold for. So- taking all that into consideration- I have seen auction prices for ones in fair condition go for $300-400. At a bottle show I have seen a near perfect one for $900. So, I guess one in very good condition with strong color would be in the $700 range. Speaking of blue bottles- here's one from Baltimore that is one of my favorites. Perfection Ginger Ale from Brooklandwoods Springs. If anyone thinks the color looks familiar, they would be right as the Maryland Glass Company made this bottle and thousands of the blue Bromoseltzer bottles of the same deep blue glass. Attachment (1) < Message edited by Ginger Ale collector -- 7/5/2005 7:50:55 PM > (in reply to bubbas dad) Post #: 46

RE: Ginger Ale Bottles wanted - 7/4/2005 6:16:25 PM    Ginger Ale collector   Posts: 112 Joined: 6/16/2005 Status: offline Hi- ACL- thought you might like to see one of my favorite ACL ginger ales from the Virgin Islands. I got this from a bottler in Rhode Island who was going out of business. He had gone on vacation to the Virgin Islands and made friends with the people who ran this soda business there- in friendship they gave him a souvenir to take back to Rhode Island. My bottler friend in Rhode Island passed it on to me to be preserved. Attachment (1) (in reply to acls) Post #: 47

RE: Ginger Ale Bottles wanted - 7/4/2005 7:04:56 PM    bubbas dad Posts: 1355 Joined: 3/30/2005 From: South Carolina, USA Status: offline thanks for the info. i mainly collect sodas from the 1900s on, but i can really appreciate nice bottles from all eras. if money were no object i would have a house full of soda and mineral bottles such as you nashville. _____________________________ john the older i get, the smarter my father gets! (in reply to IRISH) Post #: 48

RE: Ginger Ale Bottles wanted - 7/4/2005 8:04:14 PM    Ginger Ale collector   Posts: 112 Joined: 6/16/2005 Status: offline Hi John- I understand completely. Believe me I didn't pay a ton for that Nashville bottle- I'm not a high roller- bottles are great fun- but the bills have to be paid first! I was just in the right place at the right time, and for some of the other rare bottles I have, well- it's wonderful to have had good friends many years ago who helped me get them at reasonable prices. Say, maybe you could help on a bottle I've had for a long time and think it is out of South Carolina, but don't know for sure. It is about 12 oz, and has an applied crown top- (not machine-made) so that might put it in your after 1900s collecting. All it says is Colonial Ginger Ale and I think you can make out the steam train embossed on the bottle. Thanks. Attachment (1) (in reply to bubbas dad) Post #: 49

RE: Ginger Ale Bottles wanted - 7/4/2005 8:20:05 PM    Sam_MaineBottles Posts: 343 Joined: 4/5/2004 From: Mid-coast Maine Status: offline Hi GAC - Thanks for the Killarney background info, I'm not very knowledgable on how the extract companies played a role in soda bottling. Here's another set of ME paper label ginger ales. I like ACL bottles alot but they just can't get the colors and detail found on a paper label. Attachment (1) < Message edited by Sam_MaineBottles -- 7/4/2005 8:22:06 PM > (in reply to IRISH) Post #: 50

RE: Ginger Ale Bottles wanted - 7/4/2005 8:21:29 PM    Sam_MaineBottles Posts: 343 Joined: 4/5/2004 From: Mid-coast Maine Status: offline One more ME paper label ginger ale - this one is from the teens. Attachment (1) (in reply to IRISH) Post #: 51

RE: Ginger Ale Bottles wanted - 7/4/2005 10:07:02 PM    Ginger Ale collector   Posts: 112 Joined: 6/16/2005 Status: offline Hey Sam- great paper label ginger ale bottles. I agree about the color and artwork on the paper labels- nothing can compare with the detail of the printing. I have some paper label ginger ales that were printed by the American Banknote Company- which originally was an engraver for the U.S. currency. I'll find them and get some pictures. But there is something also special about a great ACL design because they were limited to 3 colors or less- they had to be more creative- like the Sunset bottle. In any case, here's another paper label ginger ale from the Coca-cola Bottling Co. in Peoria, Bloomington, and Decatur, IL. Even though the Coke folks wanted everyone to drink nothing but Coke, local Coke franchises around the country found that their customers still wanted ginger ale. This one is from the late 20s or 30s. Attachment (1) < Message edited by Ginger Ale collector -- 7/5/2005 7:50:17 PM > (in reply to Sam_MaineBottles) Post #: 52

RE: Ginger Ale Bottles wanted - 7/4/2005 11:06:20 PM    bubbas dad Posts: 1355 Joined: 3/30/2005 From: South Carolina, USA Status: offline can't say that i've heard of that one but i will dig around and see what i can find out. _____________________________ john the older i get, the smarter my father gets! (in reply to IRISH) Post #: 53

RE: Ginger Ale Bottles wanted - 7/5/2005 1:17:57 AM    madman   Posts: 4582 Joined: 2/5/2005 Status: offline wow wow wow!!! nice bottles gang !! hey gac, those labled bottles are soo fing cool! the early vernors bottle with the lable is nice, ive dug a few, is yours embossed detroits drink, the dump i dig in theres one of everything, that survived the fire , if i find another its yours!!mike (in reply to IRISH) Post #: 54

RE: Ginger Ale Bottles wanted - 7/5/2005 7:36:15 AM    bubbas dad Posts: 1355 Joined: 3/30/2005 From: South Carolina, USA Status: offline gac you might have already looked, but the only thing i could find was colonial beverages in penn. _____________________________ john the older i get, the smarter my father gets! (in reply to IRISH) Post #: 55

RE: Ginger Ale Bottles wanted - 7/5/2005 7:40:49 PM    Ginger Ale collector   Posts: 112 Joined: 6/16/2005 Status: offline Thanks John- I don't think it is from Colonial in Penn. I got the bottle from a man in South Carolina- doggone if I can think of his name, old time collector and I got this bottle before e-mail days. Every little town had a bottler. In 1900 there were 2,000 bottling plants fund in business records and probably a lot of others that weren't recorded. Every one of them made ginger ale. So who knows where some of these are from without local knowledge. Maybe some one out there has an idea. Thanks. (in reply to bubbas dad) Post #: 56

RE: Ginger Ale Bottles wanted - 7/5/2005 7:48:12 PM    Ginger Ale collector   Posts: 112 Joined: 6/16/2005 Status: offline Hey madman- glad you like the paper labels- Sam has some ginger ales I haven't seen before, but when it comes to 12 oz paper label ginger ales from the 1920s to 1940s, there are a ton of them to collect. I've started to pass on some that are not in the greatest condition are aren't remarkable in some way- I just don't have room (or the $$) to get them all. One of the areas where I do try and get the ones I see is from prohibition. When the breweries were shut down in 1917-1918- they had to do something and many made ice cream, macaroni or pasta products, but most made ginger ale since it was still incredilbly popular and they had all the equipment to do it. Here's one that I was real happy to find from the early days of prohibition. Attachment (1) (in reply to madman) Post #: 57

RE: Ginger Ale Bottles wanted - 7/5/2005 8:01:30 PM    Ginger Ale collector   Posts: 112 Joined: 6/16/2005 Status: offline Hi Irish- you and I have been talking about the Codd bottles from Oz. The Codd is just one of the closures that bottlers used to try and find a way to seal in the CO-2 in their soda. The older bottles were made of heavy glass to withstand the pressure the gas in the bottle created. They put a lot more fizz into it than they do today. There were dozens of different contraptions they used to top off the bottle. Here's one: G. D. Dows of Boston, MA. Attachment (1) (in reply to IRISH) Post #: 58

RE: Ginger Ale Bottles wanted - 7/5/2005 9:46:41 PM    diggermeister Posts: 149 Joined: 5/3/2005 From: North Carolina, USA Status: offline Hey All, Great thread! I thought I'd throw in my two cents, uh bottles, worth. On the right is a "CARAVAN GINGER ALE" nice 'oasis' and camal embossing. On the left "BUFFALO GINGER ALE", with the original product still inside. YUM! Attachment (1) _____________________________ If I Wasn't Crazy; I'd Go Insane, GARY http://groups.yahoo.com/group/federal_law_forbids_bottles (in reply to IRISH) Post #: 59

RE: Ginger Ale Bottles wanted - 7/5/2005 10:10:01 PM    warith   Posts: 67 Joined: 2/1/2005 From: Australia Status: offline Hi Ginger Ale collector, That is one awesome Rowlands bottle, very very nice. I'm fairly sure that Marchants Ltd (another Aussie company) have a few Ginger Ale variations (but I don't have any examples! :). _____________________________ regards Warith www.geocities.com/newtown_bottles/newtown.html (in reply to Ginger Ale collector) Post #: 60

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