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RE: COCA COLA BOTTLE "CAP" - (Help w/ID-Date) - 4/26/2010 1:47:50 PM    SODAPOPBOB   Posts: 3674 Joined: 3/10/2010 Status: offline Perhaps the photo below will better illustrate my query. The one on the left is the cap in question, compared to the one on the right which is obviously different. My camera is not the best, nor am I the best photographer, but you should be able to see difference in the gold metal vs. the silver metal. But even more interesting is the Coca Cola "Spencerian" script on the cap on the left. Notice that it is of a slightly less-uniformed style, and appears older. And especially notice the "tail" on the capital "C" in the word Cola. I have read of this "wider tail" referred to as Coca Cola's older "Fish Tail" design, and that it was only used in the early days. After a period of time, (date unknown), they inaugurated a more uniformed look (like the one on the right), that was eventually "required" throughout the entire Coca Cola industry. So now you know as much about my cap as I do, which really isn't all that much. But I suppose only with more research will I ever be able to date it accurately. And at this point I would even settle for an approximate date. But are we talking about circa 1900-1905, circa 1905-1910, circa 1910-1920 or circa 1920-1930? No big deal, I guess ... but I would sure like to know just for the heck of it. Thanks, SPB    Attachment (1) (in reply to SODAPOPBOB) Post #: 21

RE: COCA COLA BOTTLE "CAP" - (Help w/ID-Date) - 4/26/2010 3:17:30 PM    fanboy   Posts: 51 Joined: 1/7/2004 Status: offline I must admit, most of my experience is with Canadian Coca Cola caps. There should be fairly strong similarities to US caps. The only full SS bottle I have, the cap is covered in fine rust and there is no visible print. At that; I can not guarantee it wasn't filled in the 60's or 70's. I do have 1 other SS that was definitly refilled in the 60's. I personally feel your cap is likely 1940's. That is based on the apparent thinness of the cap, the color of the printing and the reasonably centered printing. I have many Canadian caps, including what I believe to be a pre-1915 cap, many later and most importantly a Winnipeg Headquarters cap. Winnipeg was the headquarters for Coca Cola Company of Canada between 1915 and 1923; before and after it was Toronto. This gives me a very good reference for a cap of this period. The printing is off center, and the cap when compared to a later cap; the flange is noticeably larger. The pre-1915 is also larger and the printing is offset by about 10-15%. It is my feeling if you had 1930-1950's caps next to this one, it would litterly stand out like a sore thumb, as it is that different. I will try to take a picture to illustrate later... Good luck with the hunt! Chris (in reply to SODAPOPBOB) Post #: 22

RE: COCA COLA BOTTLE "CAP" - (Help w/ID-Date) - 4/26/2010 3:27:28 PM    SODAPOPBOB   Posts: 3674 Joined: 3/10/2010 Status: offline I just spent the last hour or so conducting what I call a "forensic" study of the Coca Cola signature. I am saddened to report I could find no specifics regarding the subtile changes to the signature over the years. I looked at literally hundreds of magazine ads starting with 1904 through about 1950. And about the only thing I discovered is it "appears" they finally got their act together and became considerably more uniformed sometime in the mid to late 1920s. But prior to this approximate date things are all over the place with no real rhyme or reason to them. So with that said, I  may have to give up the search unless someone just happens to have a "still capped" bottle in their collection with my exact style of cap still on it. And should one of these elusive bottles ever turn up, I'll bet you an ice cold bottle of Coke that the cap went to a straight-sided bottle. Please prove me wrong. There is nothing I'd rather do than  ... "Buy The World A Coke."  Sincerely, Dr. Bob  P.S.  Chris ~ ...  Thanks. You were posting while I was typing. And you are probably right. I just wish there was some simple method of knowing for sure. I am totally open minded to anything and everything you have to contribute.  "Obi-Wan Kanobi, you are my last hope!"      < Message edited by SODAPOPBOB -- 4/26/2010 3:33:11 PM > (in reply to SODAPOPBOB) Post #: 23

RE: COCA COLA BOTTLE "CAP" - (Help w/ID-Date) - 4/26/2010 3:41:02 PM    SODAPOPBOB   Posts: 3674 Joined: 3/10/2010 Status: offline P.S. ~ P.S. Please don't yell at me, but I changed my "opinion" from straight-sided bottle to "PRE-1920." And will stand by it this time! But I am still back to my original question ... How in the heck do I "prove" it?  Thanks a million, Bob < Message edited by SODAPOPBOB -- 4/26/2010 3:43:56 PM > (in reply to SODAPOPBOB) Post #: 24

RE: COCA COLA BOTTLE "CAP" - (Help w/ID-Date) - 4/26/2010 10:44:20 PM    OsiaBoyce Posts: 3715 Joined: 12/8/2005 From: Chinquapin Falls, S.C. Status: online What makes you say this 1930s cap is pre 1920. http://www.bottlecapclub.org/ See the one top right, that's a 1923. Look like yours? < Message edited by OsiaBoyce -- 4/26/2010 10:47:52 PM > _____________________________ Wise men talk because they have something to say. Fools talk because they have to say something. (in reply to SODAPOPBOB) Post #: 25

RE: COCA COLA BOTTLE "CAP" - (Help w/ID-Date) - 4/26/2010 10:55:24 PM    OsiaBoyce Posts: 3715 Joined: 12/8/2005 From: Chinquapin Falls, S.C. Status: online Bob, I ask a dealer and collector of crown caps that I deal w/what year this was and,........................1928-35. Sorry, but that's the way it is. If you wanna ask him, you can find him on ebay as "cogp15t" he'll answer any question you may have. < Message edited by OsiaBoyce -- 4/26/2010 10:59:08 PM > _____________________________ Wise men talk because they have something to say. Fools talk because they have to say something. (in reply to OsiaBoyce) Post #: 26

RE: COCA COLA BOTTLE "CAP" - (Help w/ID-Date) - 4/27/2010 12:18:04 AM    SODAPOPBOB   Posts: 3674 Joined: 3/10/2010 Status: offline OsiaBoyce ~ First of all ... Thank you. I am glad you were able to date my cap. That was exactly what this thread was intended for. You were right all along. 1928-1935 totally works for me.That would definitely make it a hobbleskirt bottle, and likely from Virginia. The reason I thought it was pre-1920, is because that's what the seller at the bottle show told me three years ago when I bought it. I only paid $2.00 for it, so I just tossed in in a bowl with about 50 other caps and forget about it. But when the earthquake knocked the bowl off the shelf, I picked it up off the floor and remembered it. And that's when I got to think'n about the 1920 date, and just got curious because I really couldn't confirm it on my own. Thus, I came to Antique-Bottles.net and found the answer. I was prejudiced in the begining because of what the seller told me. But I now stand corrected thanks to y'all, and especially ... OsiaBoyce ... you know him, he's the guy who works for O.S.I.A. and goes around inspecting saftey in work places.  He sure did a good job here.   fanboy ~ Right on, man! You brought this whole thing to the surface. I was ready to let it sink until you came along and threw me a life preserver to keep from drowning.  D'ya want to buy a 1930-something Coca Cola bottle cap?  I got one. I'll let you have it for $5.00 ... oh, wait! I almost forgot. I owe you a ice cold Coke. Cool with me ... but'ja gotta come to So Cal to get it. Let me know when you're coming. Seriously, Thanks to one for all & all for one. SODAPOPBOB    (in reply to OsiaBoyce) Post #: 27

RE: COCA COLA BOTTLE "CAP" - (Help w/ID-Date) - 4/27/2010 12:03:18 PM    SODAPOPBOB   Posts: 3674 Joined: 3/10/2010 Status: offline OsiaBoyce ~ I didn't mention this earlier because I wanted to experiment with it first. But that bottle cap link you provided is giving me some problems. Or maybe it's just me. Anyway, when you open the link it goes straight to their home page, and then from there it's necessary to do a search. Except everytime I put something into their search program it doesn't work. The only thing I've been able to do so far is start with the "A's" and then scroll page by page alphabetically until I get to where I want. But this takes forever. What am I doing wrong?  Is there an easier way to go straight to the Coke caps? I'm usually pretty good at this stuff, but this one has me temporarily stumped. Thanks again, Bob P.S.  Another reason I thought my cap was 1920s is because prior to posting my query here I did some seperate research and every cap I came across for the 1930s looked like the one below that is from e-Bay. In fact, this particular one just closed. The link below should still work. (At least it did when I tested it a minute ago). And if it opens like it should, you'll see where the seller is referring to this cap as 1930. Which looks nothing like mine. So you can see one of the reasons for my confusion about the date. SPB http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290427007312&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT Attachment (1) < Message edited by SODAPOPBOB -- 4/27/2010 12:06:19 PM > (in reply to SODAPOPBOB) Post #: 28

RE: COCA COLA BOTTLE "CAP" - (Help w/ID-Date) - 4/27/2010 1:19:34 PM    SODAPOPBOB   Posts: 3674 Joined: 3/10/2010 Status: offline OsiaBoyce ~ I finally figured out that bottle cap website. (It was me who was messing up). You have to go to the "Quick Search" and then enter your preference at "the very top" of the box.  Plus here's the link that I believe you intended for us to look at earlier with the 1923 cap in the upper right. I would attach a photo of it but it's in a "bmp" format that won't work here unless it's converted to "jpeg," which I have been unable to do so far. Anyway, you're right, it looks nothing like mine. http://www.bottlecapclub.org/ Thanks, SPB (in reply to SODAPOPBOB) Post #: 29

RE: COCA COLA BOTTLE "CAP" - (Help w/ID-Date) - 4/27/2010 1:49:30 PM    SODAPOPBOB   Posts: 3674 Joined: 3/10/2010 Status: offline I'm just messing around here and thought I would try that image again of the 1923 Coca Cola bottle cap. I was finally able to convert it. SPB Attachment (1) (in reply to SODAPOPBOB) Post #: 30

RE: COCA COLA BOTTLE "CAP" - (Help w/ID-Date) - 4/27/2010 1:55:01 PM    SODAPOPBOB   Posts: 3674 Joined: 3/10/2010 Status: offline And as long as I'm at it, and for a future reference, I thought I would post this image of a 1906-1913 cap ... which is what I thought the date of mine was in the beginning. Notice how the "O's" don't have the "open loop" at the top. I read about this somewhere in my research, but it was kind of confusing at the time.  SPB Attachment (1) < Message edited by SODAPOPBOB -- 4/27/2010 1:59:10 PM > (in reply to SODAPOPBOB) Post #: 31

RE: COCA COLA BOTTLE "CAP" - (Help w/ID-Date) - 4/27/2010 6:15:07 PM    T D Posts: 1140 Joined: 3/17/2008 From: N. E. Georgia Status: offline .. .. .. .. Attachment (1) _____________________________ Always looking for ACLs and Georgia Chero Colas (in reply to SODAPOPBOB) Post #: 32

RE: COCA COLA BOTTLE "CAP" - (Help w/ID-Date) - 4/28/2010 1:28:37 PM    SODAPOPBOB   Posts: 3674 Joined: 3/10/2010 Status: offline quote: Have you explored when "US Pat Reg" started use? I can not find it at the moment, but I have the feeling it started in the 40's and earlier you would see "Trademark Registered" on items. fanboy ~ Regarding you question from earlier (which I pasted above), it got me to thinking about this, so I did a little research. And although I have not found anything specific yet involving the dates as to when the various trademark wordings were used, I wanted to check and see if you came across anything?  I'm working on another research project and the information you suggested looking for would be of a great help to me. Please let me know if you find anything. But overall it appears that trademark information placed on items is more of a protection of rights than it is of any form of a requirement. Thanks again, SPB I found this pertaining to Coca Cola that may be of interest. You probably know that Coca Cola was first developed in 1886. So it's possible there were a few years when the name was wide open for anybody to patent and use, and possibly even to steal. ?    Coca-Cola is a registered trademark in most countries. The U.S. trademark for "Coca-Cola" was first filed on May 14, 1892 with the description "nutrient or tonic beverages". This filing became a registered United States trademark on January 31, 1893 and continues to be renewed.    (in reply to SODAPOPBOB) Post #: 33

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