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RE: Ever seen a round bottom Hutch? - 4/29/2010 9:37:14 PM    SODAPOPBOB Posts: 3574 Joined: 3/10/2010 Status: offline Jay ~                                               You said ...  "keep this thread going."                                        And then cyberdigger said ... "this is getting juicy."  So I hope you don't object to another post from "Wonder Boy." I'm wondering about so many aspects to all of this, and have so many questions, I'm not sure where to start. But another thing I'm curious to know is how long you've had this bottle? And if it has been in you possession for some time now, why you waited so long to research it?  The reason I ask this is because the more I look into it, the rarer your bottle gets. And from where I sit, rare-rare-rare translates into $$$$! I started looking around to see how many other round-bottom Hutches I could find, (U.S. or otherwise), and to my surprise only found the example below. Except that it refers to it as a Blob top instead of a Hutch. Something I found particularily interesting about the accompanying text is where it says this bottle is "typical." If it's so darn typical, then why is it the only one like it on the internet I can find? I hope the information below will add additional flavor to this thread. And please note what it has to say about this type of bottle being made primarily in Great Britain. SPB                                                                                                                  BERLIN MINERAL WATER CO., BOSTON U. S. A. -  This is embossed inside of a large German cross that has a heraldic eagle trade mark.  It is also embossed with "REGD. 1873."  This is a typical round bottom soda type bottle that unlike the vast majority of such bottles, is actually of American origin - Boston, Mass. to be exact.  It is 9" tall/long, has an applied blob finish, and likely dates from the 1880s.  The majority of these type bottles found in the United States were imported from Great Britain and frequently embossed with company names and cities from England and Ireland - Belfast being a very common point of origin.  However, some were - like the bottle pictured - made in the United States (or made overseas for a U.S. bottler?). Condition of the bottle is excellent with just some wisps of faint haze inside (totally non-distracting), a tiny bit of external wear, and a very small indented (3-4 mm) imperfection to the underside of the lip that appears to be in-making as it is smooth (and doesn't appear under a hand lens to have been buffed). A relatively rare item I believe.   < Message edited by SODAPOPBOB -- 4/29/2010 9:39:12 PM > (in reply to cyberdigger) Post #: 21

RE: Ever seen a round bottom Hutch? - 4/29/2010 9:47:52 PM    cyberdigger Posts: 11897 Joined: 11/29/2008 From: I 195 @ US 9, NJ USA Status: online Ya, that is not a hutch.. the neck is way too long.. and as far as round bottom bottles go, I would say it is better than average, but scarcity is unknown to me.. the blob finish is the more common on them.. (in reply to SODAPOPBOB) Post #: 22

RE: Ever seen a round bottom Hutch? - 4/29/2010 11:12:54 PM    jays emporium Posts: 1386 Joined: 12/18/2006 From: Victoria, Texas Status: online Bob, To answer 2 of your questions.  First, the bottle does not have any markings whatsoever other than the name RISCHE'S.  No glass house marks or anything, which is not too unusual for older blown in mold bottles. Second, I have owned this bottle for a total of 6 days.  The first time saw it was last Friday night when I bought a collection of about 50 bottles.  At that time I had no idea it was from Texas but there is another rare San Antonio blob top in there I'll post a picture of when I get a chance. Jay (in reply to SODAPOPBOB) Post #: 23

RE: Ever seen a round bottom Hutch? - 4/30/2010 12:00:29 AM    blobbottlebob Posts: 3354 Joined: 12/20/2005 From: Wisconsin Status: offline quote: I'm also curious now why they say the contents would only stay fresh for "approximately 10 days." As long as it was sealed and air tight, I can't see why it would make a difference what type of closure it had. ??? Hey SPB, There was a limit to the shelf life of these sodas because of the nature of preservatives at the time. Pasteurization was a relatively late discovery. (It was not used commercially until well into the the 1890s). Many sodas used actual fruit for flavoring and it spoiled. To compound this problem, refrigeration was nowhere near what it is today. Ice boxes were used that were fed by chopped and stored blocks from the winter months. Soda crate picture to follow . . . (in reply to SODAPOPBOB) Post #: 24

RE: Ever seen a round bottom Hutch? - 4/30/2010 12:19:20 AM    blobbottlebob Posts: 3354 Joined: 12/20/2005 From: Wisconsin Status: offline Here is an antique crate. I stuck a hutch in. Attachment (1) (in reply to blobbottlebob) Post #: 25

RE: Ever seen a round bottom Hutch? - 4/30/2010 2:52:48 AM    SODAPOPBOB Posts: 3574 Joined: 3/10/2010 Status: offline blobbottlebob ~ It's funny how we take certain things for granted. It never entered my mind that old soda pop had a limited shelf life. I collect ACLs, and the thought of non-refrigerated beverages is new to me. Just as everything about this topic is. But I'm learning. Fantastic photo of the Hutch crate. I was hoping someone would come along with one.                       I'm not sure which is the rarest ... Jay's bottle - Your crate, or ...                                      ... the curious little item shown here? It's called a "Cruet." And as you can see it was designed to support a round bottom bottle. Jay referred to this item earlier, but not knowing what it was called made it a real challenge to find. In fact, I never did find an actual photo of one. It wouldn't surprise me if there were a number of these laying around somewhere and people don't even know what they are. SPB  Attachment (1) < Message edited by SODAPOPBOB -- 4/30/2010 2:55:01 AM > (in reply to blobbottlebob) Post #: 26

RE: Ever seen a round bottom Hutch? - 4/30/2010 8:22:25 AM    blobbottlebob Posts: 3354 Joined: 12/20/2005 From: Wisconsin Status: offline Hey SPB, I can't say that I remember ever seeing a cruet. I like the fact that there is a putnam stopper in the picture. (in reply to SODAPOPBOB) Post #: 27

RE: Ever seen a round bottom Hutch? - 4/30/2010 12:27:27 PM    SODAPOPBOB Posts: 3574 Joined: 3/10/2010 Status: offline Based on the results of searching the internet for two solid hours, it appears that Cruets specifically designed for holding round bottom soda bottles are as rare as hen's teeth. In fact, I'm giving up the search. But at least I know what they look like now, and intend to keep my eyes peeled for them in the future. The example shown here if for a "Torpedo" bottle, and indicates there must have been a wide variety of different styles. SPB P.S. For Jay:  It appears that most round bottom soda bottles (Hutch and/or otherwise) were generally intended for "Ginger Ale." I wonder if this was the case with yours, and if so, why?    Attachment (1) < Message edited by SODAPOPBOB -- 4/30/2010 12:36:00 PM > (in reply to blobbottlebob) Post #: 28

RE: Ever seen a round bottom Hutch? - 4/30/2010 12:44:34 PM    jays emporium Posts: 1386 Joined: 12/18/2006 From: Victoria, Texas Status: online I have one of those cruets somewhere, like the first one you pictured.  It even has a handle on one side to pick it up with. I still don't have any idea why a bottler in San Antonio, Texas in the late 1800's would order a batch of round bottom bottles with his name on them.  I'm wondering now if they had a regular flat bottom Hutch as well.  If so it is not common either. (in reply to SODAPOPBOB) Post #: 29

RE: Ever seen a round bottom Hutch? - 4/30/2010 2:51:13 PM    SODAPOPBOB Posts: 3574 Joined: 3/10/2010 Status: offline Heck!  By the time we're done here I might be an expert on Hutchinson bottles like the rest of you. But I seriously doubt two days of research even comes close to the years of experience that many of you have devoted to the subject. I keep forgetting things like the fact that electricity was still in it's infancy at the time, and wasn't utilized until around 1880. Which reminded me that industries like soda bottling was primarily a hands-on process without the benifit of fully automated machines. In any event, this led me to something I didn't expect to find, which is the item shown below described as a wooden injector used to insert the wire closure into a hutch bottle, and was made of rock hard maple. I'm not exactly sure how it worked, but it must have been a time consuming prcess. Following this I will post a piece of advertising material that was associated with the device. SPB      Attachment (1) (in reply to jays emporium) Post #: 30

RE: Ever seen a round bottom Hutch? - 4/30/2010 2:52:32 PM    SODAPOPBOB Posts: 3574 Joined: 3/10/2010 Status: offline And here's the advertisment. Attachment (1) (in reply to SODAPOPBOB) Post #: 31

RE: Ever seen a round bottom Hutch? - 4/30/2010 9:13:00 PM    Sodasandbeers   Posts: 262 Joined: 4/29/2009 Status: offline Listings of other round bottomed Hutches. Sodas and Beers Round Bottom Hutches I am sure there are many others. Don't discount tradition and marketing in bottle shapes. I have even seen crown top Codd shaped bottles! Indents but not marble! _____________________________ Tod visit: www.sodasandbeers.com (in reply to SODAPOPBOB) Post #: 32

RE: Ever seen a round bottom Hutch? - 5/1/2010 11:40:15 AM    SODAPOPBOB Posts: 3574 Joined: 3/10/2010 Status: offline Jay ~ Early on in this thread you mentioned a "Cave Man" Hutchinson bottle made by the Wells Steam Bottling Works in Galveston, Texas. It intrigued me so I thought I would share this photo for those who, like myself, had never seen one before. It's one of the coolest Hutchinson bottles I've ever seen, and would love to have one. The information connected with this particular example said it sold on e-Bay recently for $610.00. Which, as I am only a small-time collector, is about $510.00 more than I usually limit myself on any bottle. But it's still a neat bottle to say the least. And the fact it's blue makes it just that much more interesting. SPB   Attachment (1) < Message edited by SODAPOPBOB -- 5/1/2010 11:41:46 AM > (in reply to Sodasandbeers) Post #: 33

RE: Ever seen a round bottom Hutch? - 5/1/2010 6:48:19 PM    jays emporium Posts: 1386 Joined: 12/18/2006 From: Victoria, Texas Status: online That caveman bottle is probably the best picture hutch of all time. Here is a picture of the San Antonio blob top that was with the round bottom.  There are only about half a dozen pre-Hutchinson Texas sodas and this is one of them.  The only one I know of in this style.  I have seen two on ebay in the last couple of years and I in fact bid on one of these that was dark purple last year but did not get it. Attachment (1) (in reply to SODAPOPBOB) Post #: 34

RE: Ever seen a round bottom Hutch? - 5/1/2010 6:51:22 PM    jays emporium Posts: 1386 Joined: 12/18/2006 From: Victoria, Texas Status: online Notice that this bottle is from San AntoniA Texas.  I have not seen it with the proper closure still intact.  This one must not have been buried because even 40 years in the Texas soil would have rusted that wire away.  I think this bottle would date around 1880. Attachment (1) (in reply to jays emporium) Post #: 35

RE: Ever seen a round bottom Hutch? - 5/2/2010 5:52:58 PM    athometoo Posts: 1740 Joined: 9/25/2008 Status: offline here is a serious collector of texas sodas . serious meaning money . http://www.fults.org/ (in reply to jays emporium) Post #: 36

RE: Ever seen a round bottom Hutch? - 5/2/2010 11:05:27 PM    jays emporium Posts: 1386 Joined: 12/18/2006 From: Victoria, Texas Status: online Yes, I know R W Fults and he is a serious collector but far from the most serious collector of Texas sodas.  The person I am refering to will be at the Houston show but I don't think he would want me to post his name here as he is a private person.  I'm going to try to talk him into publishing a book on "The Bottles of Texas" because he has almost all of them.  (in reply to athometoo) Post #: 37

RE: Ever seen a round bottom Hutch? - 5/3/2010 2:38:24 PM    athometoo Posts: 1740 Joined: 9/25/2008 Status: offline its listed as a mineral water halfway down this page . listed as a dr though http://www.onetacc.com/bottles/Collections/Texas%20Hutch.htm (in reply to jays emporium) Post #: 38

RE: Ever seen a round bottom Hutch? - 5/3/2010 2:54:36 PM    SODAPOPBOB Posts: 3574 Joined: 3/10/2010 Status: offline This is not my thread, and I'm sure Jay is more aware of this than anyone, but I wanted to point out this reminder that the spelling on the bottle is RISCHE'S and not "RICHES."  This threw me off a little earlier when I was doing some research of my own. Maybe they are one in the same, but something tells me they are different. ??? SPB (in reply to jays emporium) Post #: 39

RE: Ever seen a round bottom Hutch? - 5/3/2010 5:09:51 PM    jays emporium Posts: 1386 Joined: 12/18/2006 From: Victoria, Texas Status: online I'll have to go see that collection next time I'm in CC. It sounds like that is a different bottling company unless they have the name completely misspelled. (in reply to athometoo) Post #: 40

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