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RE: Ravinna Air-Tight fruit jar - 5/21/2010 11:21:38 PM    surfaceone Posts: 5705 Joined: 12/9/2008 Status: offline Hey Steven, Let me add my hosannas to the chorus. Thought you might like to hear the words of Julian Harrison Toulouse, from his book; Fruit Jars, A Collectors Manual: "RAVENNA GLASSWORKS Circa 1850 Tooled groove-ring wax sealer Handmade round barrel, showing hoops but not staves, with tooled rather than pressed laid-on-ring, with red-black bottom discoloration showing the use of a bare iron pontil, in dark blue-green Front: three lines: 'RAVENNA,' 'GLASS- WORKS,' and 'OHIO' Back: 'AIR TIGHT' above 'FRUIT JAR' Ravenna Glassworks, Ravenna, Ohio. possibly circa 1850-57 or 64. McKearin,p. 232, and Kittle, p. 383, discuss this company as the Ravenna Glass Company, as well as the question of an earlier operation than the known known dates of 1850-57. This might have been as the Ravenna Glass Works. This might be the oldest identified fruit jar herein listed, although other un- lettered and unidentified cork and wax sealers may be older." pp- 259-60. (in reply to mrbottles) Post #: 21

RE: Ravinna Air-Tight fruit jar - 5/22/2010 7:31:30 AM    Wangan   Posts: 1136 Joined: 12/4/2009 From: Northern Maine Status: offline EXCELLENT! Attachment (1) _____________________________ http://youtu.be/e4ujS1er1r0 (in reply to surfaceone) Post #: 22

RE: Ravinna Air-Tight fruit jar - 5/22/2010 2:06:00 PM    Plumbata Posts: 1535 Joined: 12/4/2007 Status: offline Dude, awesome find! Beautiful jar and to not have the outer rim chipped or cracked is a blessing! I think you need to go back to that spot and carefully probe through every inch of muck in the area, because more may well be waiting for you. Woohoo! _____________________________ Alterius non sit qui suus esse potest. Advertisements contain the only truths to be relied on in a newspaper. - Thomas Jefferson (in reply to Wangan) Post #: 23

RE: Ravinna Air-Tight fruit jar - 5/22/2010 4:09:17 PM    mrbottles   Posts: 417 Joined: 12/16/2005 From: Shores of the Mighty Bark Status: offline Hi Plumbata and Surfaceonce, I got that loud and clear. My two dive buddies are both away this weekend. I went yesterday… Took the day off to do it and did seven tanks hard labor. YES seven. This morning I got up at 4:30 and did five more. I had two more tanks with me but hands and forearms cramping and utter exhaustion had me done at five. I worked like a human backhoe! There has to be more. Maybe not a fruit jar but something else of that vintage. The town I am diving has a open pontiled medicine. Only one broken example known… I found it privy digging seven years ago. Alas where I am diving it is difficult to find the same thing twice yet I am fairly certain I spent seven tanks in the right place/area yesterday. I found some crude bottles but no pontiles… Well one it sort of and nothing tell tale that old. I did find a half dozen oyster tins. The stuff I have been finding is pretty incredible really… Maybe I will start another post just about the other stuff. I am going to take a few better pictures of the jar in the sun today and will post them if they turn out good. Your info is awesome and I am very grateful. Mine does not say Ohio. Tom who posted earlier here speculated the Ohio was added to the latter version. That is what happened to a number of the earlier sodas from Wisconsin. Man the money makes me think sell but it is growing on me. I would have thought there are embossed fruit jars that go back another hundred years. Excellent and Woohoo are a good start to describing the excitement over this one. It does have a few super tiny flea bites on the outer lip but I would say they are nothing to even consider. If I was buying it I wouldn’t bat an eyelash at them… I’m a picky buyer. One question… The description says red iron in the pontil. Mine does not have iron but I did nothing to clean it at all other them rinse the mud out in the lake I found it in. I have some pontiles soda bottles that have no iron either. Does anyone know? Was it there initially and wore off or do they sometimes not have iron in them? I assumed with the one I have at sometime someone unknowingly removed the iron or something. It is a house bottle. This jar is exactly as found with no cleaning. Another weird thing is it smells like privy glass in a way dive found bottles never do BUT it is virtually mint with no need to even tumble. What gives there? _____________________________ What you braggen about? Visit www.mrbottles.com for tons of cool bottle collecting info and entertainment! (in reply to Plumbata) Post #: 24

RE: Ravinna Air-Tight fruit jar - 5/22/2010 9:09:58 PM    mrbottles   Posts: 417 Joined: 12/16/2005 From: Shores of the Mighty Bark Status: offline First of new sunlight pictures. this shows how crude the application at the top is. Attachment (1) _____________________________ What you braggen about? Visit www.mrbottles.com for tons of cool bottle collecting info and entertainment! (in reply to mrbottles) Post #: 25

RE: Ravinna Air-Tight fruit jar - 5/22/2010 9:13:39 PM    mrbottles   Posts: 417 Joined: 12/16/2005 From: Shores of the Mighty Bark Status: offline Air-tight side in sun Attachment (1) < Message edited by mrbottles -- 5/22/2010 9:14:11 PM > _____________________________ What you braggen about? Visit www.mrbottles.com for tons of cool bottle collecting info and entertainment! (in reply to mrbottles) Post #: 26

RE: Ravinna Air-Tight fruit jar - 5/22/2010 9:19:04 PM    mrbottles   Posts: 417 Joined: 12/16/2005 From: Shores of the Mighty Bark Status: offline The llne in through teh lip is a string of little bubbles... The bottle has some huge ones right in the middle too! Steven Attachment (1) _____________________________ What you braggen about? Visit www.mrbottles.com for tons of cool bottle collecting info and entertainment! (in reply to mrbottles) Post #: 27

RE: Ravinna Air-Tight fruit jar - 5/22/2010 9:25:39 PM    mrbottles   Posts: 417 Joined: 12/16/2005 From: Shores of the Mighty Bark Status: offline Can anyone tell me why this pontil has no iron in it? This is as found. I have done nothing to clean it. Was two feet under mud in lake bottom but the bottle is nearly mint... No oxidization hardly at all. You can still see some lake bottom inside of it. i will clean that out soon. There are 130 tin oyster cans in decent shape. I don't think this bottle ever had iron in the pontil. So how was it made? Attachment (1) < Message edited by mrbottles -- 5/22/2010 9:26:43 PM > _____________________________ What you braggen about? Visit www.mrbottles.com for tons of cool bottle collecting info and entertainment! (in reply to mrbottles) Post #: 28

RE: Ravinna Air-Tight fruit jar - 5/22/2010 10:47:09 PM    Baydog51   Posts: 96 Joined: 6/27/2006 Status: offline You bring up an interesting question and of course I don't have an answer. But I just wonder if it's possible that over time in the water if the iron particles just rusted away? Is the water acidic or salty?  Gary (in reply to mrbottles) Post #: 29

RE: Ravinna Air-Tight fruit jar - 5/22/2010 11:01:28 PM    mrbottles   Posts: 417 Joined: 12/16/2005 From: Shores of the Mighty Bark Status: offline Hi gary no... This water is an inland freshawater lake. A small one and for the most part everything is coming out in excpetional condition. Underwater i stuck i felt the pontil but thought it might be nothing because it wasn't rough and i found a lot of bottles with serious kickups in the area tha were nothing 1900ish bottles... Some sort of long necked unembossed clear glass junker bottle. This bottle is pristine and i am finding 1870's tin in good shape. There has to be something more to it. _____________________________ What you braggen about? Visit www.mrbottles.com for tons of cool bottle collecting info and entertainment! (in reply to Baydog51) Post #: 30

RE: Ravinna Air-Tight fruit jar - 5/22/2010 11:25:52 PM    Baydog51   Posts: 96 Joined: 6/27/2006 Status: offline Well my final guess is that it just didn't transfer any iron. Since we now know that it's defective, I'll still give $50 for it. (Ducking below my keyboard)     Gary  (in reply to mrbottles) Post #: 31

RE: Ravinna Air-Tight fruit jar - 5/22/2010 11:30:22 PM    mrbottles   Posts: 417 Joined: 12/16/2005 From: Shores of the Mighty Bark Status: offline Sold... NOT!!! I have a pomntiled soda that you can tell has never been cleaned... Like tumbled. I allways thought someone used acid or something to get the pontil clean back in the day. With this bottle i can tell you it isn't even cleaned yet and i know of at least a few IP's that came out of the water full of iron. I have found maybe a dozen open pontils scube diving but never an iron pontil before this. Steven _____________________________ What you braggen about? Visit www.mrbottles.com for tons of cool bottle collecting info and entertainment! (in reply to Baydog51) Post #: 32

RE: Ravinna Air-Tight fruit jar - 5/23/2010 5:43:53 PM    Fruit Jars   Posts: 66 Joined: 10/24/2004 Status: offline Steve, Great find. It would like awefully nice on my shelf. I collect pint jars. Jerry "ikeda.jerry@gmail.com" (in reply to mrbottles) Post #: 33

RE: Ravinna Air-Tight fruit jar - 5/24/2010 5:04:35 PM    mrbottles   Posts: 417 Joined: 12/16/2005 From: Shores of the Mighty Bark Status: offline Hey folks, I sent a link to this forum thread to a major fruit jar collector. I asked what it is worth and this is what he said. The numbers that people were throwing out here just didn't sound real. I should have never doubted the experts. "As for your Ravenna pint....I believe it could bring a very strong price, as no flawless examples have come to the market in the last 6-7 years. I would place a pre-sale estimate of 5000-10000. The only way to find out is to put it up for auction and let the market compete for it. Just let me know if I can be of assistance. " Pretty incredible. After being back out there for 15 more tanks of air I am in awe this came out at all. Steven _____________________________ What you braggen about? Visit www.mrbottles.com for tons of cool bottle collecting info and entertainment! (in reply to Fruit Jars) Post #: 34

RE: Ravinna Air-Tight fruit jar - 5/24/2010 5:19:27 PM    appliedlips Posts: 3396 Joined: 1/30/2005 Status: offline      I agree, redbook is often low on truly rare, high end jars. I have gotten over the high book price on every $1000+ jar I've sold. Good luck with it. _____________________________ LOOKING FOR PONTILLED OR EARLY SQUAT SODAS FROM HIGHLAND,ILLNOIS.. (in reply to mrbottles) Post #: 35

RE: Ravinna Air-Tight fruit jar - 5/26/2010 10:08:10 AM    towhead Posts: 2615 Joined: 12/31/2004 From: MINNESOTA Status: offline JUST INCREDIBLE!! And just where exactly did you say this was found?  OHHH, you didn't say?   Heh Heh    -Julie < Message edited by towhead -- 5/26/2010 10:09:57 AM > (in reply to appliedlips) Post #: 36

RE: Ravinna Air-Tight fruit jar - 5/26/2010 12:18:12 PM    mrbottles   Posts: 417 Joined: 12/16/2005 From: Shores of the Mighty Bark Status: offline Hey appliedlips... How do you find more than one four figure jar? We never find anything good in the jar category out this way. Well... Almost never. ;) Maybe it is just the good ones are not thrown in the water much. HAHAHAHAHA! Somewhere near Minnesota, relatively speaking. I think I have nullified the need for secrecy by diving 20 tanks in four days on the spot but why get careless. People know… They always do. The best bottle divers in the state are my two partners and they know. One was there when it came out. We are all excited to just be getting out this weekend as a team. I am bringing a shore lunch, Tom is bringing the NA refreshments and Jim is bringing his sorry ass up from the badlands south of the Wisconsin border. No offense Illinois folks, I mean that in a loving way. Yes the Midwest is competitive. I do love Minnesota at least until my all time favorite football player retires. If I had to guess what the best bottle I would find this year and up until now would be a fruit jar would not have made the top twenty guess list. It is really spectacular. Has anyone ever used the national jar auction site? I am going to sell it. It belongs with a jar collector and I can parlay it into something very special for my own collection. Steven _____________________________ What you braggen about? Visit www.mrbottles.com for tons of cool bottle collecting info and entertainment! (in reply to towhead) Post #: 37

RE: Ravinna Air-Tight fruit jar - 5/26/2010 12:49:25 PM    towhead Posts: 2615 Joined: 12/31/2004 From: MINNESOTA Status: offline Minnesota....your favorite football player....gee, wonder who that is?  Ha Ha. I think I need to go down to the Lake and find me one of those jars!  Maybe there's one here too! -Julie (in reply to mrbottles) Post #: 38

RE: Ravinna Air-Tight fruit jar - 5/26/2010 1:54:00 PM    Nickevlau   Posts: 191 Joined: 4/11/2010 From: Minneapolis, MN Status: offline I have heard rumors #4 might play again...., if you send me the jar. Great adventure!!! _____________________________ Looking for Minneapolis / St Paul or Minnesota bottles of course (in reply to towhead) Post #: 39

RE: Ravinna Air-Tight fruit jar - 5/26/2010 8:13:32 PM    mrbottles   Posts: 417 Joined: 12/16/2005 From: Shores of the Mighty Bark Status: offline Hmmm, we might be able to work out a deal. If he will play in order to help close this deal Minnesota fans would be nuts to not each send me a dollar. They fill a sixty thousand seat stadium with ol number four running the show…. This might be a record breaking jar! Think you can rally the fan base? I’ll call Favre. Cripes just for the karma sense they should be willing to pony up. _____________________________ What you braggen about? Visit www.mrbottles.com for tons of cool bottle collecting info and entertainment! (in reply to Nickevlau) Post #: 40

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