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RE: How to distinguish E. G. BOOZ originals from Cleve... - 6/1/2010 1:08:33 AM   
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I've read the original post word for word and compared the pictures to my bottle several times. I'm havin a little bit of dificulty distinguishing the top corners of the roof. The top right corner is actuay chipped off, I'm assuming (and hoping) that this is caused from the mentioned glass blowing problem.
http://tinypic.com/r/i3992f/6
The above link is a quick picture that i took with my phone, sorry for bad quality. From this picture, is there anyway you can distinguish whether the left corner is of an original bottle?
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RE: How to distinguish E. G. BOOZ originals from Cleve... - 6/1/2010 1:34:47 AM   
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Natedog...welcome to the Forum. It appears you have an amethyst (?) Clevenger Bros repro...as the corner roof cut extends into the 2nd row of shingles. The originals only cut thru the 1st row.

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RE: How to distinguish E. G. BOOZ originals from Cleve... - 8/18/2010 3:23:25 PM   
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Great post! What are the McKearin numbers for the other 3 molds? There where 6 original molds used. Does anyone have a source for descriptions, measurements, detailed images, for the other 4 not discussed here?

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RE: How to distinguish E. G. BOOZ originals from Cleve... - 8/18/2010 6:52:01 PM   
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Hello Bushrodwoodworks and others.  Go to the historical files and check these bottles out.  Steve/Sewell has spent a lot of time covering them with outstanding information.
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RE: How to distinguish E. G. BOOZ originals from Cleve... - 8/18/2010 7:18:46 PM   
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RED I went to Steve's blog, he has some interesting articles however I am finding nothing on the other Old Cabin Flasks. Perhaps I am overlooking something.

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RE: How to distinguish E. G. BOOZ originals from Cleve... - 8/18/2010 8:49:28 PM   
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Hello Isaac,
There were only three original Booz bottle types and there were only two molds. The Booz bottle Mckearin numbers were the GVII-3 GVII-4 and the GVII-5.The GVII-5 is the same as the GVII_4 but has a shorter neck and the top instead of having a tapered mouth has a blob top.The missing numbers you might be reffering to are the GVII-1 and the GVII-2 and the GVII-6- were different bottles altogether.

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RE: How to distinguish E. G. BOOZ originals from Cleve... - 8/18/2010 9:02:38 PM   
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Thanks for the info

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RE: How to distinguish E. G. BOOZ originals from Cleve... - 10/25/2010 11:53:50 PM   
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Dear Steve/Sewell

I hate to break up the party on the Booz Bottle identification on this site, but some of this information is under copyright by me, the first person to do a detailed identification of these bottles. The photo of the base in particular was taken directly from my 2006 CD-ROM of Tippecanoe and E. G. Booz Too! with no permission asked from me, the author/photographer. The photo of the GVII-5 Booz is one from the Corning Museum of Glass - a photo for which a substantial fee was charged to publish it, a fee I paid and one I doubt you did.

I insist that the material that came from the Tippecanoe book be removed from this site. You have no right to use the information that I researched for many years without you footnoting and crediting your sources, as well as asking permission to do so. Instead, you seem happy to take credit for it yourself.

Please remove any and all information which you cannot take the credit for doing your own research.

Tom Haunton
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RE: How to distinguish E. G. BOOZ originals from Cleve... - 12/20/2010 11:10:23 AM   
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Are there any other colors of the original Booz Log Cabin bottle? If so does anyone have a pic of one. Also can someone show a pic of the bases of the original bottle Vs. a Clevenger. Thank you.

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RE: How to distinguish E. G. BOOZ originals from Cleve... - 12/20/2010 1:23:58 PM   
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Good afternoon OdditySteve. The original Boozes came in a variety of shades of amber, from a light golden to very dark amber. I have also seen broken shards of an olive green-amber original. Although the McKearin American Glass books list other colors such as deep and pale green, I know of no one who has seen original Boozes in these colors. The GVII-5 Booz of course comes in an aquamarine/pale green color.

My Tippecanoe and E. G. Booz Too! CD-ROM has a photo of an original base - a copyrighted photo that had been illegally listed here. I still sell the CDs if you're interested. I can provide you a photo of the base of one of the Clevenger straight roof Boozes.

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RE: How to distinguish E. G. BOOZ originals from Cleve... - 12/20/2010 2:21:04 PM   
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RE: How to distinguish E. G. BOOZ originals from Cleve... - 12/20/2010 10:24:47 PM   
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I mainly ask because i have found one at a local "Mom & Pop" shop and havnt bought it yet. the color is green which has me skeptical to begin with, but the top is crude without any seem and the rest of the bottle has many imperfections as well. its definately not a wheaton. but the more i read about clevege's the more i think thats what it is. what do you think is fair market value of a repro?

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RE: How to distinguish E. G. BOOZ originals from Cleve... - 12/22/2010 8:12:57 AM   
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As for fair market value Steve a green one maybe 25.00 dollars.An amber one close in style to the originals can command 200.00 to 300.00 dollars.
Here are the bases of a Clevenger version on the left and an original Whitney on the right that I OWN side by side.As you can see the two bottles are virtually identical.The Clevenger seems to be a sixteenth of an inch thicker.I have compared 7 originals that I own with three Clevenger versions and it holds true most of the time that the Clevengers are slightly larger front to back across the base.




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RE: How to distinguish E. G. BOOZ originals from Cleve... - 12/22/2010 8:14:17 AM   
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The Clevenger version.




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RE: How to distinguish E. G. BOOZ originals from Cleve... - 12/22/2010 8:14:52 AM   
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The original Whitney Booz base.




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RE: How to distinguish E. G. BOOZ originals from Cleve... - 12/22/2010 8:16:49 AM   
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The two bottles side by side used for this comparison. As you can see the first Clevenger versions were extremly close in look to the Whitney originlals.




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RE: How to distinguish E. G. BOOZ originals from Cleve... - 12/22/2010 4:22:16 PM   
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Thank you Steve, i might have to head down and pick that bottle up now. it looks a heck of alot more like the one on the right than the other. and the price isnt too bad either. once i pick it up i'll try to post some picks on here. probably after christmas.

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RE: How to distinguish E. G. BOOZ originals from Cleve... - 12/22/2010 4:49:07 PM   
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Steve remember,the original Booz bottles only came in various shades of Amber,the green colored bottle you are asking about is no doubt a Clevenger version.Do not spend too much.

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RE: How to distinguish E. G. BOOZ originals from Cleve... - 12/22/2010 5:44:30 PM   
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The real one seems to have more of an orange peel texture on the base where the Cleve is smoother...true?

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RE: How to distinguish E. G. BOOZ originals from Cleve... - 2/20/2011 11:11:29 AM   
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Hi Steve,

What are your thoughts on this one?

http://cgi.ebay.com/Antique-Old-Cabin-Whiskey-Bottle-E-C-Boozs-Philadelphia-/110651482689?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item19c357a241

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