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OUT WEST SODA BOTTLES (Primarily ACLs) - 6/17/2010 1:25:51 PM    SODAPOPBOB   Posts: 3674 Joined: 3/10/2010 Status: offline                                             ~ GREETINGS FROM CALIFORNIA ~ I suppose only time will tell how much interest this thread will generate, and how much information and images it will eventually contain. But it is the hope of it's creators (myself and TheCaliKid) that it will evolve into an informative and fun-filled endeavor. Please note that our goal is for active participation from all interested members and, despite the title, is not intended just for those of us who live "Out West." Our primary focus will, of course, be on Soda Bottles, with ACLs likely being the spotlighted topic; with some embossed only bottles thrown in for good measure. So if you have a soda bottle from the western United States ... I.E., (Arizona - California - Nevada - New Mexico - Oregon, etc.) that you wish to share and discuss with everyone, please feel free to join "The Wagontrain West," and show us what you've got. Hopefully when all is said and done we will have a comprehensive collection of images and information highlighting the oftentimes overlooked bottles of the western United States.  So let's saddle-up and hit the trail ... SODAPOPBOB P.S. ~  Please don't be shy ... anything goes here, including images - maps - landscape photos, etc; etc;  just so long as it is soda bottle hunting/collecting related, and has a Western United States theme.     Attachment (1) Post #: 1

RE: OUT WEST SODA BOTTLES (Primarily ACLs) - 6/17/2010 1:36:12 PM    SODAPOPBOB   Posts: 3674 Joined: 3/10/2010 Status: offline For starters I would like to share one of my favorite (but as yet non-owned) bottles from San Diego, California. It is a "Don Diego" and is considered one of the rarest acl soda bottles in Southern California. The image below is my only found example of the bottle, but the search continues for an unbroken one. It was bottled by the San Diego Soda Works, with my particular example having a date of 1944. There are also references for this bottle from 1948, and possibly later. One of these in mint condition is likely worth $250.00 or more. Following this page will be a little more information on the bottler itself. Note :  See the little orange next to my bottle?  That's the stage my Naval oranges are at now, and will be ready for picking around Thanksgiving. SPB Attachment (1) (in reply to SODAPOPBOB) Post #: 2

RE: OUT WEST SODA BOTTLES (Primarily ACLs) - 6/17/2010 1:49:08 PM    SODAPOPBOB   Posts: 3674 Joined: 3/10/2010 Status: offline I'm still researching "The San Diego Soda Works," and as many of us already know, researching old bottlers can be a neverending challenge. S.D.S.W. originated sometime in the late 1880s, and remained in operation until the late 1950s.  I'm still not entirely sure of all the different brands they had, but do know they also distributed some of the more recognized labels like;  Hires Rootbeer - Delaware Punch, and Eastside Beverages. I also know they moved around and had several different locations. Here's what their plant looked like way back when ...  (Photo courtesy of Mike Bryant. San Diego Collector). Attachment (1) (in reply to SODAPOPBOB) Post #: 3

RE: OUT WEST SODA BOTTLES (Primarily ACLs) - 6/17/2010 1:53:00 PM    SODAPOPBOB   Posts: 3674 Joined: 3/10/2010 Status: offline Here's another photo ... exact dates unknown, but undoubtedly "Turn of the Century."  Attachment (1) (in reply to SODAPOPBOB) Post #: 4

RE: OUT WEST SODA BOTTLES (Primarily ACLs) - 6/17/2010 1:56:00 PM    SODAPOPBOB   Posts: 3674 Joined: 3/10/2010 Status: offline An advertisement from a local newspaper ... date unknown, but "early." Attachment (1) (in reply to SODAPOPBOB) Post #: 5

RE: OUT WEST SODA BOTTLES (Primarily ACLs) - 6/17/2010 2:05:27 PM    SODAPOPBOB   Posts: 3674 Joined: 3/10/2010 Status: offline Like I said, I don't have an intact "Don Diego," but this is what it would look like if I did. And if someone has one of these rare bottles in their collection, please share it with the rest of us. Thanks. I will be back later with more. In the meantime please feel free to show us what ya got from "Out West."  Thanks,   SPB Attachment (1) (in reply to SODAPOPBOB) Post #: 6

RE: OUT WEST SODA BOTTLES (Primarily ACLs) - 6/17/2010 2:10:51 PM    TJSJHART Posts: 1333 Joined: 9/10/2007 From: Arizona Status: online heres a better or more complete pic of a don,, not sure where the pic came from ..i just copied it from some where... i'll try to get pic's of my westies Attachment (1) _____________________________ .N.R.A. LIFER (in reply to SODAPOPBOB) Post #: 7

RE: OUT WEST SODA BOTTLES (Primarily ACLs) - 6/17/2010 2:38:31 PM    SODAPOPBOB   Posts: 3674 Joined: 3/10/2010 Status: offline TJSJHART ~ Thanks. I too have that photo. It is from Mike Bryant's web page and can be seen on Craig's List and elsewhere. And speaking of Mike, he and I are both looking for another San Diego Soda Works bottle. It's the "30 Below" like the one shown below. It is probably the rarest-of-the rarest San Diego acl soda bottles. Note:  Not shown here, the label also has the image of a Penguin on the lower right portion of the label. If you have one these bottles you are a lucky dog, and Mike and I want one ... "Bad!" SPB Attachment (1) (in reply to TJSJHART) Post #: 8

RE: OUT WEST SODA BOTTLES (Primarily ACLs) - 6/17/2010 2:44:39 PM    SODAPOPBOB   Posts: 3674 Joined: 3/10/2010 Status: offline Here's one of Mike's ads ...  But please don't forget I'm looking for one too!   Lol     Attachment (1) (in reply to SODAPOPBOB) Post #: 9

RE: OUT WEST SODA BOTTLES (Primarily ACLs) - 6/17/2010 3:28:44 PM    SODAPOPBOB   Posts: 3674 Joined: 3/10/2010 Status: offline These "Polar Pak" bottles appeared on a separate thread recently, but have a place here as well, and are a "must have" for any California and/or San Diego collector. (1944 & 1946). There is not much known about the Polar Ice Cream Company who bottled them, and is another area of research that I and others are working on. If you have any information on this one time San Diego company., please share it with us here. Later we will discuss the "Country Boy"  and the rare San Diego amber "7up," bottle, both of which are shown in the photo above posted by TJSJHART. Plus I hope to see and discuss numerous other soda bottles from around the West. (Including some Los Angeles area stuff; not to mention the other states listed). Arizona, in particular, has some great bottles! Thanks, SPB  Attachment (1) < Message edited by SODAPOPBOB -- 6/17/2010 3:32:16 PM > (in reply to SODAPOPBOB) Post #: 10

RE: OUT WEST SODA BOTTLES (Primarily ACLs) - 6/17/2010 3:53:01 PM    TheCaliKid   Posts: 260 Joined: 6/8/2010 From: Calistan Status: offline Great thread Bob! I will be sure to post new finds in here. (in reply to SODAPOPBOB) Post #: 11

RE: OUT WEST SODA BOTTLES (Primarily ACLs) - 6/17/2010 3:57:32 PM    OsiaBoyce Posts: 3716 Joined: 12/8/2005 From: Chinquapin Falls, S.C. Status: online Them old bottles, got caps for em too. Attachment (1) _____________________________ Wise men talk because they have something to say. Fools talk because they have to say something. (in reply to TheCaliKid) Post #: 12

RE: OUT WEST SODA BOTTLES (Primarily ACLs) - 6/17/2010 4:18:27 PM    SODAPOPBOB   Posts: 3674 Joined: 3/10/2010 Status: offline CaliKid ~ I'm glad you and your gal are feeling better today. And to perk you up even more, (and hopefully not make you sick again because I know how much you would like to find one of these) here's the "Sunset" bottle from Burbank, California. I bet there's one just waiting for you to find along that Hwy 33 you mentioned. Check out these Google Earth coordinates north of Ventura, as it looks like a really good place to look around one of these days. And be sure to open up some of the photos in the area, especially the one entitled ... "Rice Rocket Tunnel" that appears just below the little, green pine tree image. I'd bet my best bottle there are some good acls in the area, but you may have to "beat the brush" to find them.  (In the meantime see what you can find on "Sunset Beverages Inc."  If anything?) Thanks,   SPB                    Google Earth Coordinates : (Don't forget the necessary spaces or it won't work!)                                                 34  31'10.81"N  119  16'45.43"W    Attachment (1) (in reply to SODAPOPBOB) Post #: 13

RE: OUT WEST SODA BOTTLES (Primarily ACLs) - 6/17/2010 4:22:03 PM    SODAPOPBOB   Posts: 3674 Joined: 3/10/2010 Status: offline OsiaBoyce ~ Fantastic! Thank you! My address is ....  Lol    Does it have San Diego on the cap?  I believe "30 Below" was also distributed elsewhere. SPB  (in reply to SODAPOPBOB) Post #: 14

RE: OUT WEST SODA BOTTLES (Primarily ACLs) - 6/17/2010 5:21:05 PM    TheCaliKid   Posts: 260 Joined: 6/8/2010 From: Calistan Status: offline Bob - Thank you for the tips. I have driven through there a million times! So, you are thinking the uphill side here, opposite a pullout? Chuckers? The area with the 3 tunnels is very steep on both sides of the road. The area with the two tunnels close together has a creek on one side. I doubt many bottles could survive a flight here. And if the did, searching for them would be VERY difficult. The rest of the 33 is up for grabs, but the brush would be of the "crawling room only" status. Down slope areas of the road have A LOT of fill. This is also a road that gets snow almost every year. Obviously, the road is much wider now than it was in 1933. I would suspect most finds would be in the 1950 + range. The brush is very heavy and the sides are steep on one side of the road or the other (or both at the same time) in many places. This is not any easy road to search. Also, while there are many pullouts, it's impossible to know exactly when they were created. Here are some pictures of me on the 33 from last winter. As you can see, brush is nearly unworkable in some areas: (in reply to SODAPOPBOB) Post #: 15

RE: OUT WEST SODA BOTTLES (Primarily ACLs) - 6/17/2010 5:45:46 PM    SODAPOPBOB   Posts: 3674 Joined: 3/10/2010 Status: offline CaliKid ~ Based on your photos, and others I have seen from the area, that's "exactly" the kind of brush that will harbour the most bottles. I think we got a little off-track with all the down-side/up-side of the road stuff, but focus on the "Down-side" slopes. That's where the majority of them will be. And yes, it's thick and brambly, and you may have to start acting and thinking like a "Human Mole," but that's where you would find me if I were to search a similar area. There is almost always a way to work through the brush. And it's because most hunter's (you're likely not the first) refused to "get into the thick of it" is why I find bottles when others may not. I promise you the road is the right age, etc; and that bottles "will" be found! Just get one of those long-handled, four prong garden rakes and use it to reach - poke - scratch, and dig under them 'thar bushes!  But wait until it cools down somewhat, and the rattlesnakes have gone into hibernation, (Around Thanksgiving). One of these days we will have to get together, and I will show you how it's done. If you want, you can start calling me ... "Bob The Mole."   Lol      < Message edited by SODAPOPBOB -- 6/17/2010 5:47:07 PM > (in reply to TheCaliKid) Post #: 16

RE: OUT WEST SODA BOTTLES (Primarily ACLs) - 6/17/2010 6:05:30 PM    TheCaliKid   Posts: 260 Joined: 6/8/2010 From: Calistan Status: offline Bob The Human Mole - I would love to meet up with you sometime and spend a full day bottle hunting. I have been through brush similar to this during my survey days when I was trying to find monuments, but it was the live oak type of brush that had a little "underspace" to it. Dealing with this sage/chaparral/coyote brush is going to take a lot of patience and a very HIGH tolerance for pain! There is just no way to go quickly through it.........I guess you have to poke and prod in one area, then back out, going into another area, poke and prod and again, and so on and so forth all day long. Makes my head spin just thinking about it.  Do you ever bring pruning loppers or a hand saw with you? It seems like these would be very necessary tools. We used them in surveying all the time to get through brush. (in reply to SODAPOPBOB) Post #: 17

RE: OUT WEST SODA BOTTLES (Primarily ACLs) - 6/17/2010 6:15:07 PM    SODAPOPBOB   Posts: 3674 Joined: 3/10/2010 Status: offline CaliKid ~ Just a couple of additional notes ... 1.  Regarding your concern about the dates of bottles to be found;  Ask just about anyone on this site who collects ACL sodas, and you will discover many of the the better one's are from the 1950s. The acl process didn't really get into full swing until the early 1940s, with some of the best labels coming out during the 1940s and early 50s. If you prefer finding older, embossed bottles from an earlier time period, you may have to start seeking out some old dumps. But, as you know, dump digging is a horse of an etirely different color. 2.  Personal request :  If possible, could you please check the sizing options for some of your photos? I recommend around 640. It's the slightly larger photos that are causing the page to "elongate," making it necessary to use the slide-bar in order to easily read the text. Mucho Gracias on this. SPB P.S. ~  To your last post.  I sometimes remove dead branches, but never live stuff. If it's "that thick" I just move on to another spot.    < Message edited by SODAPOPBOB -- 6/17/2010 6:18:22 PM > (in reply to SODAPOPBOB) Post #: 18

RE: OUT WEST SODA BOTTLES (Primarily ACLs) - 6/17/2010 6:20:24 PM    TheCaliKid   Posts: 260 Joined: 6/8/2010 From: Calistan Status: offline Sorry Bob, you must forgive those of us with widescreen monitors! I have a 22 in widescreen and so there is actually miles and miles of space between the left and the right of my photos I will try to resize next time.  (in reply to SODAPOPBOB) Post #: 19

RE: OUT WEST SODA BOTTLES (Primarily ACLs) - 6/17/2010 10:21:34 PM    SODAPOPBOB   Posts: 3674 Joined: 3/10/2010 Status: offline Here's another California bottle that I am hoping will entice TheCaliKid to get out there and start crawling around some of that brush we've been talking about. Although there is nothing particularly rare or unique about it, it's still one to look for. It's a "Wilshire Club Jr."  (Never have seen or found a "Sr." variation) from Los Angeles, which is right in TheCaliKids back yard. The bottle is dated 1952, (the year I was born) and is a perfect example of a common West Cost bottle. It was made by "The Globe Bottling Co." which I currently know nothing about.  By the way ... I found it under a "bush" along old Hwy 80.  Lol    Here's a little history on the real Wilshire Boulevard, but I don't think there ever was an actual Wilshire "club." Wilshire Boulevard (pronounced /ˈwɪlʃər/) is one of the principal east-west arterial roads in Los Angeles, California, United States. It was named for Henry Gaylord Wilshire (1861–1927), an Ohio native who made and lost fortunes in real estate, farming, and gold mining. Henry Wilshire initiated what was to become Wilshire Boulevard in the 1890s by clearing out a path in his barley field. SPB Attachment (1) < Message edited by SODAPOPBOB -- 6/17/2010 10:23:11 PM > (in reply to TheCaliKid) Post #: 20

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