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RE: OUT WEST SODA BOTTLES (Primarily ACLs) - 6/19/2010 10:33:34 PM   
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Right on, Kid! ~

It's one of my favorites too. I guess we're just a couple of "misfits" ourselves. By the way, "The Misfits" was Clark Gable and Marilyn Monroe's very last film, ever. It was released in 1961. Gable was born in 1901 and died in 1962. Monroe was born in 1926 and died in 1962. One of my favorite scenes is where Marilyn Monroe is in a bar and plays with the "Stretchy-ball & paddle" toy. Classic! And just to keep this on topic, there's also a scene of her drinking a bottle of Coca Cola.  Lol    



Personally I like this Misfits better.




We are 138. The woman hanging onto Jerry Only isn't part of the band, that's actually the one and only Vampira.


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RE: OUT WEST SODA BOTTLES (Primarily ACLs) - 6/19/2010 11:31:23 PM   
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Right on, Kid! ~

It's one of my favorites too. I guess we're just a couple of "misfits" ourselves. By the way, "The Misfits" was Clark Gable and Marilyn Monroe's very last film, ever. It was released in 1961. Gable was born in 1901 and died in 1962. Monroe was born in 1926 and died in 1962. One of my favorite scenes is where Marilyn Monroe is in a bar and plays with the "Stretchy-ball & paddle" toy. Classic! And just to keep this on topic, there's also a scene of her drinking a bottle of Coca Cola.  Lol    



Personally I like this Misfits better.




We are 138. The woman hanging onto Jerry Only isn't part of the band, that's actually the one and only Vampira.

very very nice great pix and bottles soda.. the misfits and the original to beat  need i say more..........

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RE: OUT WEST SODA BOTTLES (Primarily ACLs) - 6/20/2010 2:02:04 AM   
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Well................all I have to say is that I now know what it feels like to go bottle hunting and get SKUNKED!!!!!

I searched high and I searched low for almost 5 hours.........and nothing. Not even a token piece of old broken glass.


Just as I had suspected, in some places the current road doesn't always follow the old road, and the fill from the new road has surely covered up any old bottles.



Old 33:





Old 33:





Old 33:





Old 33:





Found this old post mile marker:









Thick brush, steep slopes and LOTS of soil displacement:






Interesting drainage pipe I ran across:





Right before the first tunnel (stamped 1931, sorry I didn't get a pic of it):





Searched all around this bridge (built 1926, retrofitted 1947, last painted in 1955):











Here is my theory as to why I didn't find anything (on this lower section of the 33 anyway):


1. The sides, and hence the tops of the cuts are too high.

2. The slopes are too steep, too much soil movement.

3. Not enough travel or litterbugs.



Needless to say, the day was fairly disheartening. I don't know where to go now, everything else is too far to drive. I didn't even find that much "modern" trash. My bottle hunting days may be coming to an end unless I am on a road trip 


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RE: OUT WEST SODA BOTTLES (Primarily ACLs) - 6/20/2010 10:24:07 AM   
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I don't know who's more disappointed; you or me? I was sure you would come home with a trunk load of bottles. It's hard to believe you didn't at least find some broken stuff. You said you worked both high and low, which should have produced "something." But what you didn't say is whether or not you actually got into and under the brush?  I'm assuming you did. But in the event you didn't, and spent most of your time walking along the shoulder of the road peeking over the edge, then that would explain not finding anything. So without knowing more details of your search, it leaves me completly befuddled. I too get skunked on ocassion, but my definition of "skunked," doesn't necessarily mean nada - zero - zilich! I just mean I didn't find a ton of stuff like I usually do. Any number of things could explain not finding "shoulder of the road" bottles. After all, you live in an area with something like five million+ people, and it is more than just a little likely that over the years others have proceeded your search. I know when I'm finished walking through an area it's done for good, as I seldom leave a stone unturned. And yet, even with that said, you should have found remamants of glass. But I guess all of the "would'a - should'a - coulda's" in the world can't change the results. So it just leaves me scratching my head with more questions than comments, and suspecting there is a missing piece to the puzzel here somewhere. But hopefully you won't throw in the towel just yet. I guarantee you there are bottles just laying around out there waiting for you to come along and find them. You just have to find the right spot and look under the right bushes. And if you really think you have the "bottle bug," there are alternatives to finding them in the field. There's always e-Bay, etc. But I know that's not the same thing, and that it is the thrill of the hunt that can be the most fun. Of course, finding something doesn't feel too bad either. So I suppose the only thing I can say at this point is to hang in there, and know that perserverence will eventually pay off.

By the way, I hope you kept that road sign with the 33 on it. I personally look for and keep that kind of stuff, especially when it has the highway number on it. When I find something like that I usually place it near the roadside and get it on my way back, or else drive to the spot later and retrieve it. Some of those signs are pretty old and, in some cases, worth money. Anyway, please tell me a little more about the details of your hunt. I for one would like to know.

Thanks,

SPB          

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RE: OUT WEST SODA BOTTLES (Primarily ACLs) - 6/20/2010 10:57:45 AM   
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P.S. ~

Regarding your comments about "displacement" of dirt. I know exactly what you are referring too, and how road improvements over the years can cause this. But I also know, based on your photos, that a lot, if not all of the brush growing in that area appears to have some age to it. Plus, with such steep inclines, the "landing zone" of bottles would be well near the bottom. I know it's a lot of work, but did you go down there? Depending on the incline etc; I usually try to pin-point the so called "bottle zone" and then conduct my search based on that. Typically (on level ground) the farthest someone is likely to toss a bottle from a moving vehicle is about 30 to 50 feet max. But in the case of steep embankments, this formula changes dramatically. Just some food for thought for "next time."

Morb and Madman ~  (or is it "madman Morb?")  Lol 

Thanks for stopping by. It always adds a little legitamacy to a thread when the two of you show up. However, your spotless reputations may be tarnished now due to your post ... and perhaps, after all, you're both just a couple of "misfits" like the rest of us.  Lol     By the way ... you ain't seen nothin' yet! Just wait until my next major posting, and I tell you about the ... ?   (Stay tuned).

Thanks,

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Gee ... is the photo below of myself and the kid, or of Morb and madman?  (And for those of you not familar with 1950s/60s cartoon characters, those are my good buddies "Heckle and Jeckle.") 




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RE: OUT WEST SODA BOTTLES (Primarily ACLs) - 6/21/2010 6:24:23 PM   
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This isn't the mysterious/major posting I referred to last time, but rather just a run-of-the-mill page showing one of the old signs I have found along the roadway over the years, plus the Barq's bottle I found next to it. The sign is from old Hwy 80 about fifty miles east of San Diego. I know the exact curve it came from, which was replaced with a more modern sign years ago. The sign has a mirror housed on the back side that reflects light through the glass "marbles?" on the front, and causes the whole outline to light up at night from a vehicles headlights. I'm guessing it is from the 1930s. Plus it has the "Beehive" emblem with the wording "So. Cal Auto Club" in the lower right corner. It's in pretty rough shape, but someone still offered me $50.00 for it awhile back, but declined the offer.

The Barq's bottle is dated 1957. It's the only one pint (16 oz.) Barq's I have ever found. And although I haven't done a lot of research on it, it seems kind of early for a 16 oz. Interestingly, the sign and bottle were found about a mile north of the old Buckman Springs bottling plant I discussed earlier.

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RE: OUT WEST SODA BOTTLES (Primarily ACLs) - 6/21/2010 6:35:14 PM   
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I'm having problems with my photo sizer (or perhaps it me) so please excuse this test to see if I fixed it to increase the image.

Thanks,

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RE: OUT WEST SODA BOTTLES (Primarily ACLs) - 6/21/2010 8:10:25 PM   
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TheCaliKid ~

I don't know who's more disappointed; you or me? I was sure you would come home with a trunk load of bottles. It's hard to believe you didn't at least find some broken stuff. You said you worked both high and low, which should have produced "something." But what you didn't say is whether or not you actually got into and under the brush?  I'm assuming you did. But in the event you didn't, and spent most of your time walking along the shoulder of the road peeking over the edge, then that would explain not finding anything. So without knowing more details of your search, it leaves me completly befuddled. I too get skunked on ocassion, but my definition of "skunked," doesn't necessarily mean nada - zero - zilich! I just mean I didn't find a ton of stuff like I usually do. Any number of things could explain not finding "shoulder of the road" bottles. After all, you live in an area with something like five million+ people, and it is more than just a little likely that over the years others have proceeded your search. I know when I'm finished walking through an area it's done for good, as I seldom leave a stone unturned. And yet, even with that said, you should have found remamants of glass. But I guess all of the "would'a - should'a - coulda's" in the world can't change the results. So it just leaves me scratching my head with more questions than comments, and suspecting there is a missing piece to the puzzel here somewhere. But hopefully you won't throw in the towel just yet. I guarantee you there are bottles just laying around out there waiting for you to come along and find them. You just have to find the right spot and look under the right bushes. And if you really think you have the "bottle bug," there are alternatives to finding them in the field. There's always e-Bay, etc. But I know that's not the same thing, and that it is the thrill of the hunt that can be the most fun. Of course, finding something doesn't feel too bad either. So I suppose the only thing I can say at this point is to hang in there, and know that perserverence will eventually pay off.

By the way, I hope you kept that road sign with the 33 on it. I personally look for and keep that kind of stuff, especially when it has the highway number on it. When I find something like that I usually place it near the roadside and get it on my way back, or else drive to the spot later and retrieve it. Some of those signs are pretty old and, in some cases, worth money. Anyway, please tell me a little more about the details of your hunt. I for one would like to know.

Thanks,

SPB          


I looked very hard. Got down and dirty in the bushes. Got bite up by the biting gnats and a few mosquitoes, got some poison oak too....yay! 

Found some crappy labeled beer bottles from the 60's and 70's when I did some digging near a creek in an area where I know people stopped off the road to relax.

Did lots of digging, didn't even find "modern" trash. There's just nothing out there, at least not off that lower section. The soil is a huge problem. It is the most crumbly shale sh*t I have ever seen in my life. Covers up everything. You'd be hard pressed to find a bottle from the 1990's.

You guys on the East Coast/Midwest/South have no clue how easy you have it! NO CLUE I tell you. We do not have basements here, and people were never into collecting. California has always had the mindset of "new! new! new! And I want it now!".


I still have the bottle bug bad, but have absolutly no interest in ebay whatsoever. I want to find them myself, that's the fun of the whole hobby. If I am in an old ghost town and they have an antique shop with old soda bottles, that's the only time I'd be tempted to buy. (or a garage sale, etc)  

I just can't think of any good roads around here. I know of one or two VERY SHORT sections of old roads in Santa Barbara county, but I'll bet you dollars to doughnuts that someone has already been there.  Not only that, but there really isn't enough room for there to have ever been a lot of trash in the first place. 








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RE: OUT WEST SODA BOTTLES (Primarily ACLs) - 6/21/2010 8:12:58 PM   
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P.S. ~

Regarding your comments about "displacement" of dirt. I know exactly what you are referring too, and how road improvements over the years can cause this. But I also know, based on your photos, that a lot, if not all of the brush growing in that area appears to have some age to it. Plus, with such steep inclines, the "landing zone" of bottles would be well near the bottom. I know it's a lot of work, but did you go down there? Depending on the incline etc; I usually try to pin-point the so called "bottle zone" and then conduct my search based on that. Typically (on level ground) the farthest someone is likely to toss a bottle from a moving vehicle is about 30 to 50 feet max. But in the case of steep embankments, this formula changes dramatically. Just some food for thought for "next time."

Morb and Madman ~  (or is it "madman Morb?")  Lol 

Thanks for stopping by. It always adds a little legitamacy to a thread when the two of you show up. However, your spotless reputations may be tarnished now due to your post ... and perhaps, after all, you're both just a couple of "misfits" like the rest of us.  Lol     By the way ... you ain't seen nothin' yet! Just wait until my next major posting, and I tell you about the ... ?   (Stay tuned).

Thanks,

SPB 

Gee ... is the photo below of myself and the kid, or of Morb and madman?  (And for those of you not familar with 1950s/60s cartoon characters, those are my good buddies "Heckle and Jeckle.") 





The "landing zone" is hundreds of feet down the sides, in the loosest shale you have ever seen in your life. Plus the brush is so thick you can't justify going down there.

The upper 33 may yield more, but I'm not holding my breath. It never was traveled like the 80 was, even today it is really not that well traveled.


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RE: OUT WEST SODA BOTTLES (Primarily ACLs) - 6/21/2010 8:14:47 PM   
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This isn't the mysterious/major posting I referred to last time, but rather just a run-of-the-mill page showing one of the old signs I have found along the roadway over the years, plus the Barq's bottle I found next to it. The sign is from old Hwy 80 about fifty miles east of San Diego. I know the exact curve it came from, which was replaced with a more modern sign years ago. The sign has a mirror housed on the back side that reflects light through the glass "marbles?" on the front, and causes the whole outline to light up at night from a vehicles headlights. I'm guessing it is from the 1930s. Plus it has the "Beehive" emblem with the wording "So. Cal Auto Club" in the lower right corner. It's in pretty rough shape, but someone still offered me $50.00 for it awhile back, but declined the offer.

The Barq's bottle is dated 1957. It's the only one pint (16 oz.) Barq's I have ever found. And although I haven't done a lot of research on it, it seems kind of early for a 16 oz. Interestingly, the sign and bottle were found about a mile north of the old Buckman Springs bottling plant I discussed earlier.

SPB 






I did not keep the sign I found for numerous reasons, chief among them that I do not have the space for stuff like that.

The sign you found it a real keeper tho.


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RE: OUT WEST SODA BOTTLES (Primarily ACLs) - 6/21/2010 9:24:41 PM   
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Kid ~

I'm glad to hear you still have the "Bug," and hopefully it will develop into a full-blown rash that only by finding more junk will it ever be cured. I've been scratching that itch for years, but keep going back for more and more. Sorry to hear about your poison oak. Although I don't get it, I know it can put a halt to some people going into the wilds. And you are no doubt right about the situation out on Hwy 33, especially being so close to the metro area. A couple of years ago I drove along Hwy 166 that is north of the 33, and runs east/west between Santa Maria and Cuyama (which is just south of Taft where you found that Coke bottle).  Anyway, on the West end of the 166 about 20 miles east of Santa Maria, I stopped and did a little looking around. I didn't have much time, but did find several good places to explore. There are some side-spurs of old highway that looked really good, and on one of them I found the old gas can and the Mason Root Beer bottle shown below. The rest of the "junk" in the photo is a sampling of other stuff I look for and collect. The wire rim is from the 1930s and found on old Hwy 80 - the reflector sign is from Route 66 east of Barstow, California - and the licsense plate is a 1936 Oklahoma I found in an old abandoned gas station here in San Diego's east county. So you see, if you like this kind of stuff, there's still lots of it to be found. Too bad you don't have the room for such things, but you would be surprised how much of this kind of stuff will fit on a patio display. At one time my whole back yard was covered, but have downsized in recent years to put in a garden plot. By the way, my corn is about five feet tall already - so I've got the old saying; "Knee-high by the 4th of July" beat by a mile. 

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RE: OUT WEST SODA BOTTLES (Primarily ACLs) - 6/21/2010 10:04:55 PM   
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Here's a closeup of that Mason Root Beer bottle and a few of it's "cousins."  I found every one of them along an old road somewhere. From left to right they date ... 1949 - 53 - 57 - 196?  I also grow some grapes and nectarines seen ripenining in the background.  Um-um good!  Ready in about a month.

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RE: OUT WEST SODA BOTTLES (Primarily ACLs) - 6/21/2010 11:03:30 PM   
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Don't worry, I am in the hobby to stay. Liking old/retro Americana is NOTHING new to me.

I have been interested in the 1920's, 30's, 40's, and 50's since before I was a teenager. I'll never forget seeing an old beat up 1955 Chevy Bell Air parked down the street when I was just 15, and wishing it was mine. I have never liked new things. I also collect old American-made riles......the newest one I own is from 1976, and that's way too new for me. I used to own a 1978 Chevy Blazer 4x4 truck, was forced to sell it 3 years ago, wish I could have kept it.

I used to spend many hours conversing with my Grandmother (who was born in 1924) about the "good old days". She passed on in 2008, I miss her dearly.


The root beers are very nice. Maybe I will find "one" of them someday. I think bottles from the early 60's are going to become all the rage as the baby boomers start to enter the retirement years. The other things you have found are cool as well. Some things that look new, are in fact quite old. The other day while I was looking for bottles off that old dirt road, I kept seeing old rusted beer cans. I just assumed that they were in the 15 - 20 year old range. I finally found one that I could read half the side on the can, and it was from 1971! What I had thought was "modern" trash was in fact almost 40 years old.





Here is my old truck:




I know EXACTLY where you are talking about on the 166 - I even surveyed in some of those spots a few years ago. I lived in the Santa Ynez Valley for over 12 years, so I know northern Santa Barbara County pretty well. I also lived in Ramona and Poway in the early 1990's.

Some of those spots on HWY 166 are on private property, so watch out what you do. I have encountered some of owners out there in the past, so don't say that I didn't warn you!


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RE: OUT WEST SODA BOTTLES (Primarily ACLs) - 6/22/2010 1:28:56 AM   
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This is a little experiment to show (in a sense) how easily soda bottles can travel across the country these days. Just a couple of clicks and some photo cropping can shoot a bottle like OsaiaBoyce's "Ace HI" from wherever back east that Osia is to here in California. Back in the old days it took a soda bottle from the Midwest about three day's travel in an automobile before it would eventually get tossed out of the window somewhere near Bakersfield, CA., or a jillion other locals along the way. (Hmm ... I never knew anybody from Bakersfield, except maybe Dwight Yokum :)

And the reason I picked Osia's "Ace Hi" bottle is, because for me it is the coolest bottle happening on A-B.net right now! (From Osia's current thread; "It looked like a dump").  I gotta get me one of those!     I just wish getting my hands on one was as easy as transferring it through cyperspace.

Here it is ... "The bottle of the Week!"

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RE: OUT WEST SODA BOTTLES (Primarily ACLs) - 6/22/2010 12:40:45 PM   
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That sign is killer - gotta get me one of those

as for back east - not much to be found along roads here either, vegitation takes over 11 months of the year, and soft ground swallows up bottles quick .

Looks liek the ACLS found out there are clean and not faded, I'm surprised with the hot sun and all, here the acidic ground eats the labels, so hard to dig a real clean one, each local has it's own issues.

keep hunting and posting.

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RE: OUT WEST SODA BOTTLES (Primarily ACLs) - 6/22/2010 12:52:25 PM   
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Al ~  <   I never noticed before that a small "L" looks like a one ... so I guess you are now A-One! 

Anyway, thanks for stopping by. And regarding the condition of west coast roadside bottles, it goes back to the "under the brush" factor I have been referring to. The brush serves as a protective canopy from both sun and weather. Of course, everyone knows it never rains in Southern California, but when it does it pours. 

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RE: OUT WEST SODA BOTTLES (Primarily ACLs) - 6/22/2010 12:56:25 PM   
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I'm pretty sure that vertical pipe is an overflow pipe incase the area is flooded by a flash flood, if it ever reached that height the water would drain off thru the pipe with the metal around the top stopping any large animals or people from beinf swept into it....very cool post KID...

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RE: OUT WEST SODA BOTTLES (Primarily ACLs) - 6/22/2010 1:29:33 PM   
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Speaking of southern california, there is another place not far from where I grew up that locals call the "Stone House Museum." But back in the late 1800s it went by various other names like the "Caskill Brothers Store," and later "The Campo Store."  It's most colorful story is of the shoot-out that took place there in 188? between raiding banditos from Mexico, (the border is about three miles south) and the Caskill brothers who built and defended the store with success. But what is of interest here is the fact that as far as I know the old dump has never been dug. It's a county owned property now, and that sort of thing is forbidden. Perhaps someday they will bring in some archeologist for that task. Also of interest, is an old amber 7up bottle they have on display in the museum, and is the only one I know of in the flesh. A side note to this is that it is a San Diego bottle, which is only one of ten locals to ever have made it. (See next couple of pages for the list of cities).  The curator wasn't 100% sure, but he believes the 7up bottle came with the building. It dates 1936, and is one of the earliest ACL bottles ever made. (photo to follow).

Caskill Brothers Store - Campo, California - Along old Hwy 94 ... circa 1880 ? 




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RE: OUT WEST SODA BOTTLES (Primarily ACLs) - 6/22/2010 1:36:28 PM   
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Here's a photo of the amber 7up bottle from the museum ...




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Here's the list of the ten cities where the 7 oz bottle was produced ... With the San Diego example supposedly being one of the earliest and rarest!




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