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RE: OUT WEST SODA BOTTLES (Primarily ACLs) - 6/22/2010 2:07:55 PM   
SODAPOPBOB

 

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Status: offline 		Here's a photo of the interior of the store back in the 1890s. This photo is from a 1967 magazine article on the store. The museum doesn't have a copy of this magazine, and would like me to "donate" mine. I may eventually do that, but am holding out for a possible trade for the amber 7up bottle, which will likely never happen. They recreated the interior of the store, and it looks very much like this today, with the 7up bottle currently sitting on the back shelf in the corner.  Note :  If you care to read this page, and have the zoom feature in the lower right side of your screen, just change it to about 200% for a closeup. 

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RE: OUT WEST SODA BOTTLES (Primarily ACLs) - 6/22/2010 2:57:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		Additional Note ~

It's been a while since I looked at the list above, and forgot to mention that the San Diego bottle seems to be the only "standard" version (see previous photo), and that the others were the "stubby," or squat variations most of us are familiar with. So this would suggest that the slim, San Diego version is even rarer that I indicated.

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RE: OUT WEST SODA BOTTLES (Primarily ACLs) - 6/22/2010 3:40:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		Final comments on the "slim/standard" amber, acl 7up bottle ...

I got to thinking, and personally only know of three examples of the slim variation ...

1.   Cecil Munsey ... Poway, Ca.
2.   Mike Bryant ..... San Diego, Ca.
3.   Stone House Museum ... Campo, Ca.

If someone out there has one, please share it with us and I will put it on the list as number four, (and counting).  If nothing turns up I intend to do some volunteer work for the museum and tell them I don't know what happened to it when it turns up missing.   Lol  (not funny) 

SPB

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RE: OUT WEST SODA BOTTLES (Primarily ACLs) - 6/22/2010 7:23:24 PM   
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ORIGINAL: epackage

I'm pretty sure that vertical pipe is an overflow pipe incase the area is flooded by a flash flood, if it ever reached that height the water would drain off thru the pipe with the metal around the top stopping any large animals or people from beinf swept into it....very cool post KID...


Thanks epackage, I am glad that you enjoyed it.

Hey Bob, I rode the old steam train at Campo twice!

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RE: OUT WEST SODA BOTTLES (Primarily ACLs) - 6/22/2010 8:50:33 PM   
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Well, shoot! ... then jump on Interstate 5 and get your caboose down here. I'll take ya bottle hunting. Here's an old postcard/map of Southern California in case you forgot the way.  Lol     The heck with them rattlesnakes ... we'll tape cardboard around our ankles and lower legs like I used to in the old days. 

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RE: OUT WEST SODA BOTTLES (Primarily ACLs) - 6/22/2010 10:03:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		Homemade snake guards, eh? Sounds good to me, except that's a lot of driving!!!! It's only 478 miles and 8.5 hours with no stops or L.A. traffic!!!!! 

We should meet halfway someplace sometime. I think we would have a blast.

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RE: OUT WEST SODA BOTTLES (Primarily ACLs) - 6/22/2010 11:02:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		Speaking of snakes, found these online just now.........taken outside of Barstow a few weeks ago:
















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RE: OUT WEST SODA BOTTLES (Primarily ACLs) - 6/22/2010 11:19:30 PM   
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Great photos. Looks like my back yard! I know of a similar den near Campo. I'll take you there one of these days.  Let's kick around meeting halfway some day. Maybe somewhere around Hemet ... with Anza / Hwy 74 in particular. But I'm serious about the rattlesnakes. I've encountered too many of them in the past at this time of year. Around Thanksgiving would be better after a couple of freezes drives them underground.

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RE: OUT WEST SODA BOTTLES (Primarily ACLs) - 6/23/2010 2:51:36 AM   
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I was looking around on Google Earth and wanted to see what you thought about the area just east of Anza. You could come by way of Interstate 10 and then south on 243 to Anza. I have several options for my route, but the distance for each of us would be about the same. It's a pretty good haul for both of us, but I can see no way out of that if we decide to make this happen. Looking anywhere along the coast would be a waste of time. As you know, freeway and solid city all the way. But inland looks good. Plus that area is a scenic route between Palm Springs and Idyllwild, and should have had plenty of thirsty travelers over the years. Anyway, something to think about.

Here's a little search for you to do. The photo below is from somewhere in that area, and is called "Shark Rock."  See if you can find it. Plus while you're searching you can look along Hyw 74 and see what you think.

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RE: OUT WEST SODA BOTTLES (Primarily ACLs) - 6/23/2010 1:41:16 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TheCaliKid

Speaking of snakes, found these online just now.........taken outside of Barstow a few weeks ago:





Thanks you just gave me nightmares for a week. LOL!


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RE: OUT WEST SODA BOTTLES (Primarily ACLs) - 6/23/2010 1:59:13 PM   
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Thanks ... you just gave me something to "laugh" about for a week!  Now you guys and gals know what it's like hunting and collecting soda bottles "OUT WEST!"    My dad, who is 88 years old, had a rattlesnake strike his boot once while deer hunting in Southern California, but it didn't stop him, or my brothers and I for that matter, from going out time and time again over the years. You just deal with it or don't go! That's why I limit my bottle hunting season between Thanksgiving and Easter. Which is seldom a problem with the weather, as even in December/January we often have days/weeks of 70+ degree tempratures. I love that part of living here, but hate the 3 million people I am surrounded by on an everyday basis. Not to say I hate them personally, but rather that I feel like an ant in an ant hill. Speaking of aunts ... well, that's another story. 

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RE: OUT WEST SODA BOTTLES (Primarily ACLs) - 6/23/2010 2:58:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		Speaking of "Barstow, Ca." (Where the snake den photos were taken) ... Barstow is east of Los Angeles, and on a portion of old Route 66. Interstate 15 is also nearby, and is the main route for west coasters going to Las Vegas. Just south of Barstow is where Elmer Long has his "bottle ranch." (That's Elmer in the photo below). I met him a couple of times, and he is a true "Desert Rat," plus a very interesting and nice guy. There's several internet references on him for those interested in reading more. And if you are ever in the vacinity of Barstow, be sure to visit the Route 66 museum they have at the old train depot. Plus, just north of there (not advertised that I know of) is a guy who has the best collection of old signs I ever saw. He has every one of the old Route 66 numbered signs (the type with the "marble" reflectors) from each of the nine states that Route 66 goes through. Those old signs are almost impossible to come by these days, and are likely worth about $1000.00 each! Plus he has just about every kind of old roadside advertising sign you can imagine ... Just watch out for the rattlesnakes around Barstow like the one's in the Kid's photos.

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RE: OUT WEST SODA BOTTLES (Primarily ACLs) - 6/23/2010 7:24:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		Bob -

Hmmmm, Anza is 182 miles for me one way. I think November sometime BEFORE Thanksgiving would work best for me. 

Yeah, looking along the coast would be a joke. So, would we be looking off the 74, east of Anza? Have you ever searched in this area before?

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RE: OUT WEST SODA BOTTLES (Primarily ACLs) - 6/23/2010 10:44:59 PM   
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It's about 150 miles for me to Anza. I have driven through there, but never to search for stuff. I like the looks of it though and, like I mentioned, it's a designated senic route between Palm Springs and Idyllwilld. So it should have had a considerable amout of traffic over the years, and likely still does. If you are familiar with the area, you probably know that San Jacinto mountain above Idyllwild is where the cable tram rises up to from the desert floor near Palm Springs. I have backpacked in those mountains, plus ridden the tram a couple of times. I believe the tram rises from the desert at about 200 feet elevation to appx 4500 feet.

Anyway, the area east of Anza looks good. I base this on memory as well as from a detailed Google Earth scan which gives you a birds-eye view at about 1000 feet above the ground. The only glitch there might be about the location, or anywhere for that matter, is if others have gone through there ahead of us. And even if they have, it just means we may have to get down and get dirty under the brush. But with us working both sides of the road at once, I'm sure we will find something to make it worthwhile. Plus, I intend to take a close look at things on the drive up there, and possibly find a hot-spot along the way. It will definitely be an all day event, and I may even drive up a day early, scout around some, and stay the night somewhere so as to get an early start in the morning. I like to hit he brush by 8:AM if possible. So we have plenty of time to kick it around by November, and surely come up with a solid plan by then. By the way, there are "rules" attached to this sort of thing. Rule # 1.  I get all the good stuff and you get the junk!  Rule # 2.  Read rule numbrt one!   Lol    Lol    Lol   ... etc; etc!

Let me know what you think. In the meantime I will start packing my bags.

Thanks,

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RE: OUT WEST SODA BOTTLES (Primarily ACLs) - 6/23/2010 10:51:17 PM   
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Yeah, let's do it man!

I'm down for camping somewhere near the night before and getting an early start the next morning. One mans junk is another mans treasure, which means I get all the good stuff!

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RE: OUT WEST SODA BOTTLES (Primarily ACLs) - 6/23/2010 11:14:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		Camping is exactly what I had in mind. The weather should still be in our favor even in early to mid November. And if we encounter any rattlesnakes, we can always resort to my cardboard leg protectors. But I really don't expect it to be a problem. Maybe we can invite Elmer Long to join us ... I bet that guy has a ton of "ghost stories" to tell.  Lol 

SPB

For those not familiar with the Palm Springs Tramway I spoke about ... here's a glimpse how it looks. In the winter you go from desert to snow in about twenty minutes. At the top of the tram is a fancy lodge which has a world class restaurant and visitor center. (Not that we will be going there - we are trying to get away from people, not join them).




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RE: OUT WEST SODA BOTTLES (Primarily ACLs) - 6/24/2010 5:04:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		Will have to scout for campgrounds in the area. I don't think I can wait until November..........what about October?

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RE: OUT WEST SODA BOTTLES (Primarily ACLs) - 6/24/2010 11:30:38 AM   
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October sounds good. We'll determine an exact date late. This will work out great because the campground I found is only open thru October anyway. It's called "Pinyon Flat" and is located about ten miles east of Anza. It's pretty much right-smack-dab in the center of our intended search area. Here's a little info on it, but you can do your own research as well. I'll check into reserving a site as soon as we establish a date.

Pinyon Flat ...  Description: 4000-foot elevation. 18 campsites on the edge of the Palm Desert and the Santa Rosa Wilderness. Keep your eye out for the resident bighorn sheep herd. Hiking is popular on the Cactus Spring Trail. $10.00 daily fee. Water and restrooms available.

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RE: OUT WEST SODA BOTTLES (Primarily ACLs) - 6/24/2010 12:18:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		Here's an embossed Deco style bottle I found in southern Oregon back in the 1980s. It's a "Silver State" from Reno, Nevada and is in absolute mint condition. I remember the day I found it at an old abandoned cattle ranch dump. I also found some other pretty cool bottles in that particular dump that I will post later. I'm not sure of the exact date, but it is clearly an Owens-Illinois bottle with a 6 to the right of the symbol. 1926 would be too early, and 1946 likely too late, so I will go with 1936 for now. It's one of my favorite bottles, and depicts the outline of Necada, with an old prospector and his burro near the bottom. They are not as rare as you might think, even though this is the only one I ever found. I've seen them on e-Bay and elsewhere, and typically sell for about $25.00. There is also an ACL variation that came out later, (all white paint) which I used to have, but got lost in the shuffle somewhere along the line. I could have purchased one of the acls that I've seen for sale, but keep hoping I will eventually find one. I have a daughter who lives in Reno that I visit from time to time and go bottle hunting with my son-in-law. He's a great kid, but prefers shooting at big rocks with his rifle over bottle hunting. I'm a pretty good shot myself, and large boulders play dead really well. 

SODA "POP-SHOT" BOB

This photo was taken in front of my avocado tree, with fruit on it about the size of golf balls right now. They will be ready for picking around Christmas time. The one tree typically produces about 100+ avocados. In the local markets they sell for about $1.50 each.  I usually end up giving a lot of mine away to family and friends. (See the gray sky in the background? It's like this every morning this time of year. We call it "June Gloom." It's actually high fog that rolls in from the coast every night, which is about fifteen miles away. It will burn off and be back clear blue skys by 10:AM).    




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RE: OUT WEST SODA BOTTLES (Primarily ACLs) - 6/24/2010 2:10:34 PM   
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I did some research and discoverd that Pinyon Flats Campground is a non-reservation site, and on a first come first serve basis. But it shouldn't be a problem in October. Plus, if we go on a week day, which is best for me anyway, I know we'll find an available site with no problem. The photo below is of the entrance, and gives a general idea of the surrounding landscape. The snow-capped mountain in the background is, I believe, San Gorgonio peak, and at an elevation of 11,503 feet. It is real near where the Palm Springs aerial tramway goes, which I was incorrect about earlier and instead of 4500 feet, ascends to 8,516 feet.

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