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RE: QUICK "POPEYE SODA" QUESTION - 12/27/2010 5:30:18 PM   
SODAPOPBOB

 

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Status: offline 		Sorry! ... I haven't found a Popeye bottle yet. But I do continue to search for one from time to time.

However ... I did stumble onto something recently that I thought would be of interest to at least a few of you who have participated in and/or have followed this thread in the past. It involves the cardboard sign that was last discussed on the top of this page, as well as the preceding one. If you recall, it was determined (by an advanced Popeye collector and expert) that the majority of the cardboard signs that show up from time to time are fakes. (The originals are about 22" tall and the fakes are about 10" tall).

For Christmas I received a 2003 copy (Third Edition) of Allan Petretti's "Soda Pop" book - and in it I made a most interesting discovery. On page 196 of the book (in the color, cardboard cutouts section) is a photo of (with text) of the original sign in question. (See insert below).

The top photo is from the book itself, and the bottom photo is of a refrigerator-type "magnet" that I bought off of e-bay a while back. Notice that they are more than just similar -- they are "identical." I have included notations with arrows where the "identical flaws" in each are clearly visible. Another interesting aspect to this is the fact that before I even bought the magnet off of e-bay, I sent the seller a PM and asked her if she knew "where" the image on the magnet came from. In her reply she said ... "It is from an original sign I had a while back."

If this is true, then please explain to me how is it possible for the photo in the book and the magnet to have the "same exact flaws" and be the "same exact size?"  Am I to believe that the sign in Petretti's 2003 book is the same one the lady owned at some point in time?  Possibly ... but I seriously doubt it. But what I do believe is that the lady photo copied the Popeye photo from Petretti's book and had magnets made from it. That's what I believe!

In conclusion ... my main reason for even bringing this to light is because of all the recent discussions involving fake signs - reproductions, etc. (Especially the Mountain Dew ones).

So my question is this ...

Do you feel that photocopying an image from a "copyrighted" book and then making magnets from it is wrong? Personally, I think it is totally unscruplous, to say the least! I have no intention of persuing this further - nor do I intend to turn anyone in. But I would very much like to hear your opinions on this subject. 

By the way ... Allan Petretti has been collecting and selling soda pop memorabilia since the 1970s, with literally thousands of sells under his belt - which leads me to believe now that his indication that the sign is from the 1950s is more than likely correct - and that the elusive bottle itself may be from this same time period as well ... ???

Thanks for stopping by.

SODA "POPEYE" BOB 

{This is the best I could do with my limited photo editing skills. I simply layed the magnet in place under the book photo. The boxed caption about "phonies" is printed in the book itself, and are Allan Petretti's words}      




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RE: QUICK "POPEYE SODA" QUESTION - 12/27/2010 8:50:02 PM   
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So my question is this ...

Do you feel that photocopying an image from a "copyrighted" book and then making magnets from it is wrong? Personally, I think it is totally unscruplous, to say the least! I have no intention of persuing this further - nor do I intend to turn anyone in. But I would very much like to hear your opinions on this subject. 


Hey Bob,

I should think that if any discernable amount of those "magnets" are sold, that the lawyers for King Features Syndicate might be sending some interesting communications to the "maker."


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RE: QUICK "POPEYE SODA" QUESTION - 12/27/2010 10:19:29 PM   
SODAPOPBOB

 

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Thanks. I got a kick out of your Sunday Funnies page. I noticed in the lower left corner that it was copyrighted 1951. (I was born in 1952).

Here is a photo of the magnet after I peeled back one of the corners. It's nothing more that standand copy paper applied to a flexible-rubber-magnet backing which is laminated over with a clear sheet of thin plastic. It might be something that was made at home with some kind of do-it-yourself magnet kit. There are no manufacture's marks on it anywhere. It only cost me $2.00 - so it's no big deal or great loss ... that is unless someone sells about 10,000 of them. Hmmm ... that gives me an idea. But please don't tell anyone that I'm going to scan the image from Allan Petretti's book and make my own magnets.  Lol    (Just kidding Allan. Even though I don't know you and that you will likely never see this).

(I already glued the magnet back together and stuck it on the lamp next to my desk where I keep it).

SPBOB    




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RE: QUICK "POPEYE SODA" QUESTION - 11/24/2011 5:36:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hi I have a 1929 tin sign of the picture below. I found it years ago in the alley by where I live.







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RE: QUICK "POPEYE SODA" QUESTION - 11/24/2011 5:46:54 PM   
SODAPOPBOB

 

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Wow! That's gotta be super rare! I will give you ten-times what it's worth! It says 5-cents on it, so ...

                                                    10 x 5-cents = 50-cents. (Lol).

Now find us one of the bottles. To date there has not been a single one surface.

Thanks for sharing and Happy Thanksgiving.

Sodapopbob

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RE: QUICK "POPEYE SODA" QUESTION - 11/26/2011 10:15:31 AM   
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RE: QUICK "POPEYE SODA" QUESTION - 11/26/2011 1:39:13 PM   
SODAPOPBOB

 

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I got to wondering about your sign and whether it's an original or one of the reproductions? Have you compared it closely to the one pictured on page 1 of this thread?  I noticed yours does not have the small white lettering at the bottom like the reproduction does, and that yours has a bit of rust, which suggest it is made of tin and not aluminum. But I'm not 100% sure if all of the repros are aluminum or if some of them are tin.

As near as I can determine, the reproducyions measure 15 1/2" tall x 8 1/2" wide. What does yours measure? The reason I ask these questions is because I have never heard of an original tin Popeye sign before. The only originals I am aware of were made out of cardboard, and were cut differently. I hate to be a doubting Thomas, but it's hard to believe that your sign is a one only that mysteriously turned up in an alley. 

Thanks.

SPB 

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RE: QUICK "POPEYE SODA" QUESTION - 11/26/2011 1:51:38 PM   
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Here's the reproduction sign from page 1. It definitely has different hole placements than yours. But I still have to wonder ???




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RE: QUICK "POPEYE SODA" QUESTION - 11/26/2011 2:04:15 PM   
SODAPOPBOB

 

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Blondie ~

How'z about a picture of the back of your sign? Although you may never intend to sell it, if you do, you will likely need some strong evidence to convince potential buyers that it's an original. And I can think of no better place to help determine that than right here on A-B.net. I'm sure the combined opinions and expertise of the numerous collectors who follow this thread will be able to help. If it is an original, it is likely worth a considerable amount of money.

SPB

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RE: QUICK "POPEYE SODA" QUESTION - 1/17/2012 9:54:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		I was just looking through old threads and found this.
An interesting read for sure... It's been a year, have any bottles surfaced?
I'll be on the lookout here in Canada...


-the can kid

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RE: QUICK "POPEYE SODA" QUESTION - 1/18/2012 4:27:27 AM   
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RE: QUICK "POPEYE SODA" QUESTION - 1/21/2012 11:16:13 AM   
SODAPOPBOB

 

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Status: offline 		None that I know of, either. And I've been looking. I would even settle for a cap like the one shown below that sold on eBay a couple of years ago for $162.00.

If an unsuspecting antique dealer or eBay seller ever comes across a bottle and tries to research it, they probably won't find much information on it unless they stumble onto this thread. So I'm hoping one will eventually popeye up and be offered for about $50.00. Which I would jump on like a duck on a June bug because a decent Popeye bottle with intact label is likely worth $1,000.00, and may be a one of a kind.

SPB

As far as I know, this cap is a one of a kind.    




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