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Hutchinson Spring stopper or what? - 12/19/2005 11:49:31 PM    mrbottles   Posts: 160 Joined: 12/16/2005 From: Shores of the Mighty Bark Status: offline I'm looking for a little help with the origin of this bottle. There was some speculation that this stopper type may be from Hutchinson of Chicago. I am wondering if any one knows if this is true and are there any other bottles of this type from any where else? I have never seen another from anywhere. There is one known bottler from Madison and this one from Milwaukee. In total there are four known whole examples of all the varieties. This is a mystery that had plagued Wisconsin collectors since the day the first was discovered. While this example is not pontiled there is a iron pontil example. All of the Wisconsin examples date from the late 1850's to early 1860's. I eagerly await any help at all. Thanks, Steven Attachment (1) _____________________________ What you braggen about? Check out www.mrbottles.com to see one of the best bottle sites on the web! Post #: 1

RE: Hutchinson Spring stopper or what? - 12/20/2005 1:31:13 AM    Bottleman Posts: 851 Joined: 9/3/2004 From: Central Pennsylvania Status: offline Very, Very strange! I have never seen a top/stopper like that before. What does the full name embossed on it say? ~Tom (in reply to mrbottles) Post #: 2

RE: Hutchinson Spring stopper or what? - 12/20/2005 7:42:38 AM    mrbottles   Posts: 160 Joined: 12/16/2005 From: Shores of the Mighty Bark Status: offline Hi Tom, The bottle is embossed "O. ZWIETUSCH MILWAUKEE." The body of the bottle is about the same size as a half pint mineral water or soda bottle. The other bottler that i know of that used this bottle is "J&A LINDESTROM MADISON, WIS" Zwietusch patented a number of soda bottling apparatus and a couple of different closures that are known so some locally assume he was the inventor. It's a terrible idea when you look at teh difficulty pouring the contents out without making a mess would be. Both Lindestrom and Zwietusch bottled miner and soda water. Once again, I wait hopefully that some one will know the origin and maker of this bottle. Here is a picture of the other one. Attachment (1) _____________________________ What you braggen about? Check out www.mrbottles.com to see one of the best bottle sites on the web! (in reply to Bottleman) Post #: 3

RE: Hutchinson Spring stopper or what? - 12/20/2005 7:48:06 AM    stormysouth Posts: 253 Joined: 10/6/2005 From: Sellersburg, IN Status: offline Welcome. Checked out your website. It was really good. Lisa (in reply to mrbottles) Post #: 4

RE: Hutchinson Spring stopper or what? - 12/20/2005 8:13:03 AM    mrbottles   Posts: 160 Joined: 12/16/2005 From: Shores of the Mighty Bark Status: offline Thanks Lisa! The site begs for contributions from local collectors. It's starting to take off. I have three content administratiors working on the galleries daily now. They are high profile local collectors that are basically putting up images of every example of different bottle types. The site is allready the best record of clay beers from our state and is the only place new collectors can see the treasures they search for. I am looking for ideas for the site so if you have any PLEASE let me know. We added a forum module that isn't running yet a couple of months ago. I was looking to find bottle sites that might have a blog or forum when i found this site this past weekend. I wasn't sure if people would actually use a bottle forum but i can see they will and do. Very cool! Steven Back to PLEASE TELL ME WHO MADE AND WHO DESIGNED THIS BOTTLE it would be a huge success for me if some one knew. _____________________________ What you braggen about? Check out www.mrbottles.com to see one of the best bottle sites on the web! (in reply to stormysouth) Post #: 5

RE: Hutchinson Spring stopper or what? - 12/20/2005 5:23:11 PM    capsoda Posts: 7924 Joined: 11/15/2005 From: Seminole,Alabama, USA Status: online Hey Steven , Those are very neat looking bottles. Could you tell me how rare and how valuable are they. What would it cost me to get an example of each. Hutchinson designed and sold many different types of stoppers. Yours has the hutch style bottom and a strait shaft .[pic] I have found several of these and could never figure them out until I saw yours. Mine are missing the spring, I may have just missed them since I wasn't looking for them anyway. The bottom of the little washer holder says Hutchinson on some and Liquid on others. Someone in Il. should be able to find out something, Hutchinson and Son was in Chicago. Attachment (1) _____________________________ Warren Diggin down in Dixie, USA Work is for people who don't dig bottles President, Panhandle Cruisers http://www.panhandlecruisers.org/ (in reply to mrbottles) Post #: 6

RE: Hutchinson Spring stopper or what? - 12/20/2005 6:05:43 PM    mrbottles   Posts: 160 Joined: 12/16/2005 From: Shores of the Mighty Bark Status: offline Hi Warren, That is not it I think. Maybe similar. I will take my stopper out tonight when I get home and photograph it and add it to the site. The springs are brass and have a loop that rolls straight into a horizontal stem going down. The spring and the top stem are one bent piece. There is a hole in the stem that the spring is through and is locked on by. I’m nearly certain that yours is not the same. I’m very interested in that stopper though. Where did it (they) come from? Supply and demand equals value in Wisconsin. We have a couple of bottle books that make these things targets with a capital T. There are VERY few whole examples. None are for sale. One in mint condition may be $1500 maybe more. Obviously damage would quickly bring the price down. I know of a couple repaired pieces. The Madison one pictured is missing half the blob and I have another that is missing half the blob without the repair. Not to be a pessimist (the bottles are all about optimism) I don't think this is the kind of thing that will be turning up any time soon. The goofy design and the thin neck make it more than prone to breakage. One of the five whole examples was broken in a tumbler. TERRIBLE!!! That makes me tear up! The reason there are a few (2 maybe 3) of the Madison around in semi broken states is that the bottling works was right on water. They discarded their damaged goods in the water. Even so, they are VERY scarce. You can visit exapmles of every variety I can get pictures of at the mrbottles site under blob soda gallery! That will have to satisfy you untill i can find you one. I'll post the stopper picture when I get home from the gym tonight. Digging in Wisconsin muck takes brute strength! Steven _____________________________ What you braggen about? Check out www.mrbottles.com to see one of the best bottle sites on the web! (in reply to capsoda) Post #: 7

RE: Hutchinson Spring stopper or what? - 12/20/2005 7:51:35 PM    capsoda Posts: 7924 Joined: 11/15/2005 From: Seminole,Alabama, USA Status: online Yeah Steve, We have our share of nearly non-existant bottles here too. Most of them are plain jane types that are so scarce that a piece of one is a prize, but I had to know. I dug the funny stoppers in downtown Pensacola, Fl. Right where a bottling works was. I saw the ones on your site. I've looked your site over pretty good and I get a kick out of the stories. If your persistant you will run into a cash of those rare ones eventualy. Good luck on your hunt for the elucive ones. _____________________________ Warren Diggin down in Dixie, USA Work is for people who don't dig bottles President, Panhandle Cruisers http://www.panhandlecruisers.org/ (in reply to mrbottles) Post #: 8

RE: Hutchinson Spring stopper or what? - 12/20/2005 9:38:25 PM    mrbottles   Posts: 160 Joined: 12/16/2005 From: Shores of the Mighty Bark Status: offline Hi again Warren, Thanks for the feedback. I have a lot of new content that I am parsing out bit by bit to keep it fresh. There will be a new HUNT story today that I will load in a few minutes about my brother and I finding target balls. Keep coming back! I have more of the spring stopper bottles than shown in the gallery because I am trying to get at least some thing all over for people to see. I will go back and complete the listing and add examples. I need to get it up and started so that the two collectors who are working their buts off loading images can simply log into the edit area and throw them in. It's hard to believe how huge of a process cataloging with images as many of the bottles from the state as we can is. Here is the stopper. I'm pretty certain it's not the same thing. I would be interested in buying one of those Hutchinson embossed straight stoppers if you have a spare. Steven If you have ideas for make the bottle site outstanding PLEASE let me know. We are working hard but some times great improvements are only a different perspective away Attachment (1) _____________________________ What you braggen about? Check out www.mrbottles.com to see one of the best bottle sites on the web! (in reply to capsoda) Post #: 9

RE: Hutchinson Spring stopper or what? - 12/21/2005 12:18:19 AM    capsoda Posts: 7924 Joined: 11/15/2005 From: Seminole,Alabama, USA Status: online Wow Steven! That looks like a miniture pump plunger. That could be a direction to look. I have about 25lbs of mixed stoppers in a bag. i'll look through them and find you one. Email you when I find It. _____________________________ Warren Diggin down in Dixie, USA Work is for people who don't dig bottles President, Panhandle Cruisers http://www.panhandlecruisers.org/ (in reply to mrbottles) Post #: 10

RE: Hutchinson Spring stopper or what? - 12/21/2005 1:53:30 PM    mrbottles   Posts: 160 Joined: 12/16/2005 From: Shores of the Mighty Bark Status: offline The way it worked was that the stopper at the bottom had a ring of rubber heavy rubber that went between the two pieces at the base. They forced the bottom with the rubber gasket down the neck of the bottle into the body of the bottle compressing the spring in the process. Once the gasket reached the space of the inside of the bottle the gasket spread out locking it in. The spring was always pulling to keep the bottle closed. They must have had strong long tongues back then or a special tool that locked the bottle open. Honestly I think I’m going to offer a reward for any one who can supply me with proof of the original inventor. The patent would be huge! For a guy who doesn't work you sure are making me wait a long time for this new lead! _____________________________ What you braggen about? Check out www.mrbottles.com to see one of the best bottle sites on the web! (in reply to capsoda) Post #: 11

RE: Hutchinson Spring stopper or what? - 12/21/2005 2:52:05 PM    capsoda Posts: 7924 Joined: 11/15/2005 From: Seminole,Alabama, USA Status: online Thanks Steven, Always willing to help. How much of a reward. By the way, what does that mean? Work? LoL _____________________________ Warren Diggin down in Dixie, USA Work is for people who don't dig bottles President, Panhandle Cruisers http://www.panhandlecruisers.org/ (in reply to mrbottles) Post #: 12

RE: Hutchinson Spring stopper or what? - 12/21/2005 3:50:13 PM    mrbottles   Posts: 160 Joined: 12/16/2005 From: Shores of the Mighty Bark Status: offline HA, you are 'grandfathered' in on the no reward side of this deal! I'm thinking maybe $50. I'll have to sell my entire collection to pay for it but if that's what it takes to motivate you "Unemployed" people so be it. Unemployed is WAY more negative than retired! What's taking you on pilfering through the stopper bag? Got your walker caught on snag in the carpet or what?!!! Steven _____________________________ What you braggen about? Check out www.mrbottles.com to see one of the best bottle sites on the web! (in reply to capsoda) Post #: 13

RE: Hutchinson Spring stopper or what? - 12/21/2005 5:14:06 PM    capsoda Posts: 7924 Joined: 11/15/2005 From: Seminole,Alabama, USA Status: online There you go.... Pickin on the retired one legged guy. Still lookin for the bag, its in my 1500 sq ft shop, somewhere, maybe, I think, in one of those hundreds of boxes high up on a shelf, I hope, maybe. Its hard for a poor one legged guy to climb all the way up there you know. First I have to go jogging, then I'll look. _____________________________ Warren Diggin down in Dixie, USA Work is for people who don't dig bottles President, Panhandle Cruisers http://www.panhandlecruisers.org/ (in reply to mrbottles) Post #: 14

RE: Hutchinson Spring stopper or what? - 12/21/2005 6:17:42 PM    mrbottles   Posts: 160 Joined: 12/16/2005 From: Shores of the Mighty Bark Status: offline Oh my goodness I almost started crying when I read that! Not remembering where you put things is one of the first signs of Alzheimer’s you know. Oh my goodness I almost started crying when I read that! Not remembering where you put things is one of the first signs of Alzheimer’s you know. I put that down twice in case you forgot the first one! I PUT THAT DOWN TWICE IN CASE YOU FORGOT THE FIRST ONE! That was louder in case your hearing is going too! Steven _____________________________ What you braggen about? Check out www.mrbottles.com to see one of the best bottle sites on the web! (in reply to capsoda) Post #: 15

RE: Hutchinson Spring stopper or what? - 12/21/2005 6:31:40 PM    capsoda Posts: 7924 Joined: 11/15/2005 From: Seminole,Alabama, USA Status: online Damn WIPPERSNAPPER! AH, Now what was I gonna say. Oh yeah, No wait. Ahahah. Its time to take my pill. _____________________________ Warren Diggin down in Dixie, USA Work is for people who don't dig bottles President, Panhandle Cruisers http://www.panhandlecruisers.org/ (in reply to mrbottles) Post #: 16

RE: Hutchinson Spring stopper or what? - 12/21/2005 10:28:43 PM    tfredrich   Posts: 167 Joined: 10/9/2003 Status: offline Hey Steve, It's Tom one town over. It's funny we've never talked about this before, but shortly after I found the Zwietusch spiral spring bottle, I noticed a New York example of this same style bottle in one of my bottle books. I am adding a picture for everyone to see. If OZ did in fact invent this style bottle, he got one New York firm to bite on it, or at least they ripped off the idea from him. Here goes, Merry Christmas to all! TF Attachment (1) (in reply to mrbottles) Post #: 17

RE: Hutchinson Spring stopper or what? - 12/22/2005 1:01:15 AM    mrbottles   Posts: 160 Joined: 12/16/2005 From: Shores of the Mighty Bark Status: offline Pil? That was a punk rock band back in the day. Johnny Rotten from the Sex Pistols started them after Sid Vicious over dosed on some thing, I think. So you're listening to punk rock? Is that what you're saying Gramps? Man the generation gap is really hampering communication here. I SAID THE GENERATION GAP IS REALLY HAMPERING COMMUNICATION HERE! WHERE'S THE STOPPER? Looks like Tom is trying to cut in on your reward! Better turn up the voltage on the pacemaker! Steven _____________________________ What you braggen about? Check out www.mrbottles.com to see one of the best bottle sites on the web! (in reply to capsoda) Post #: 18

RE: Hutchinson Spring stopper or what? - 12/22/2005 1:22:39 AM    capsoda Posts: 7924 Joined: 11/15/2005 From: Seminole,Alabama, USA Status: online Hey Steven, STOP YELLIN AT ME! I said PILL not BRAIN DEAD and back in the day Jimmy Hendrick was on top. Oh yeah, I found your stopper. Guess I'm gona have to come up there and dig all your bottles. Attachment (1) _____________________________ Warren Diggin down in Dixie, USA Work is for people who don't dig bottles President, Panhandle Cruisers http://www.panhandlecruisers.org/ (in reply to mrbottles) Post #: 19

RE: Hutchinson Spring stopper or what? - 12/22/2005 1:31:13 AM    mrbottles   Posts: 160 Joined: 12/16/2005 From: Shores of the Mighty Bark Status: offline Calm down... just relax it was all just a bad dream papy. That's right take your pill and just relax... Your feeling sleepy... very very sleepy... Good thats better. See mrbottles make it aaaaall better. Just don't tell me that was the only miniture pump plunger in the bag. Or the shizzels gonna hit the fan! Steven _____________________________ What you braggen about? Check out www.mrbottles.com to see one of the best bottle sites on the web! (in reply to capsoda) Post #: 20

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