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RE: Prehistoric artifacts... - 3/5/2006 8:52:29 PM    Road Dog Posts: 2792 Joined: 6/9/2005 From: Clayton, North Carolina Status: offline Kinda hard to tell about that point Cliff. I know N.C. points. You have several types that point could be. You have to study the flaking styles and workmanship of different time periods to get that one. Also in some areas certain points are made more often with only one type of material.If I was a bettin man I would say a Poplar Island. That type would be around 4000 to 6000 years old. It does look early to middle Archaic though reguardless of type.Could also be a Piscataway that is 2500 to 500 years old. Archaic point tend to have horizontal flaking. < Message edited by Road Dog -- 3/5/2006 9:01:04 PM > (in reply to amblypygi) Post #: 61

RE: Prehistoric artifacts... - 3/5/2006 11:05:06 PM    Ye Olde Prospector   Posts: 609 Joined: 1/23/2005 From: Bath, Maine Status: offline Thanks RD, Some of the people I showed it to on Nantucket said some archiologists had done some digs around Quidnet and they thought their finds were about 3000 yrs old. I just think it is neat to find something made by someone that long ago 25 miles offshore on an island. Thanks again, Cliff (in reply to Road Dog) Post #: 62

RE: Prehistoric artifacts... - 3/27/2006 8:50:02 AM    JustGlass   Posts: 1198 Joined: 7/22/2005 From: Green Mountains, Vermont Status: offline First finds for 2006. Heres a pic of a vosberg point that hasnt been touched in a couple of thousand years. This point books 4000 to 6000 yrs. old Attachment (1) (in reply to NORG) Post #: 63

RE: Prehistoric artifacts... - 3/27/2006 8:53:34 AM    JustGlass   Posts: 1198 Joined: 7/22/2005 From: Green Mountains, Vermont Status: offline This is a pic of knife that was found about 10 yards from the vosberg point. Attachment (1) (in reply to Road Dog) Post #: 64

RE: Prehistoric artifacts... - 3/27/2006 8:57:07 AM    JustGlass   Posts: 1198 Joined: 7/22/2005 From: Green Mountains, Vermont Status: offline All cleaned up and ready for display.....also a small gray flint thumbnail scraper. Attachment (1) (in reply to Road Dog) Post #: 65

RE: Prehistoric artifacts... - 3/27/2006 8:59:55 AM    JustGlass   Posts: 1198 Joined: 7/22/2005 From: Green Mountains, Vermont Status: offline Standing on the site overlooking the indians highway Attachment (1) (in reply to Road Dog) Post #: 66

RE: Prehistoric artifacts... - 3/27/2006 10:28:43 AM    NORG   Posts: 310 Joined: 5/4/2005 Status: offline Nice finds JustGlass. Rob (in reply to Road Dog) Post #: 67

RE: Prehistoric artifacts... - 3/27/2006 11:54:08 AM    capsoda Posts: 9832 Joined: 11/15/2005 From: Seminole,Alabama, USA Status: offline Nice find JG. Beautiful area to hunt in too. _____________________________ Warren Diggin down in Dixie, USA Work is for people who don't dig bottles President, Panhandle Cruisers http://www.panhandlecruisers.org/ http://www.bornagainamerican.org (in reply to Road Dog) Post #: 68

RE: Prehistoric artifacts... - 3/28/2006 8:43:29 PM    amblypygi Posts: 622 Joined: 4/6/2004 From: Western Massachusetts Status: offline Here's a weird tool or somesuch that I found in the Conn. River in southern NH a few years ago. The archaeologists at Umass didn't know what it was for sure, but suggested that it was a broken club head or axe that was subsequently used for some other purpose, which resulted in the grooves and pecking. I'm not too sure I buy this because the pecking on the flat sides extends right up to the break, suggesting that it was probably the cause of the crack through the middle. There are deep, angled grooves on one side, and shallower grooves on the other side, maybe meaning one side was worn out and the other side was beginning to be used? There is pecking on both sides on the flat center near the crack (the flat end). Anybody seen a tool like this before? It's made of the same basalt as another complete adze that I found in the same general area of the river (and that I think I already posted about here a few years ago). As usual, clues appreciated Sean Picture reduced in size - please see Help - Using the Forum ---> Uploading a Picture - Admin Attachment (1) < Message edited by Admin -- 4/16/2006 3:37:53 AM > (in reply to amblypygi) Post #: 69

RE: Prehistoric artifacts... - 3/29/2006 8:12:10 AM    JustGlass   Posts: 1198 Joined: 7/22/2005 From: Green Mountains, Vermont Status: offline I have some grooved artifacts. This one I was told by a friend of mine who is almost 100% abenaki indian that this was used as a edge sharpener or shaper. Attachment (1) (in reply to Road Dog) Post #: 70

RE: Prehistoric artifacts... - 3/29/2006 8:22:19 AM    JustGlass   Posts: 1198 Joined: 7/22/2005 From: Green Mountains, Vermont Status: offline This I was told could have been used to strecth hides as they would wrap hide strips around the rock and pull hides tight. Saved punishment on the hands. I wouldnt be surprized if it was a hammer head mounted on a handle, but my friend says the grooves dont look right fot that. Yours looks to be a dual purpose tool. Probably a hammer head that was used later to sharpen or do edge work on smaller artifacts. Attachment (1) (in reply to Road Dog) Post #: 71

RE: Prehistoric artifacts... - 3/29/2006 10:10:56 AM    Road Dog Posts: 2792 Joined: 6/9/2005 From: Clayton, North Carolina Status: offline Many tools, blades, axes etc. were used for many purposes even if the original making was for a single purpose. How many of us has used a butter knife as a screwdriver? They were no different. (in reply to Road Dog) Post #: 72

RE: Prehistoric artifacts... - 3/29/2006 1:39:28 PM    walkingstick Posts: 356 Joined: 1/28/2006 From: Northern tip of the Anishinaabe Triangle Status: offline I use a certain tool in my box for reasons other than what it was intended to be used for ... the Hammer wrench, or wrench hammer. I reckon if we do it today, is it any wonder that it was done throughout the ages. _____________________________ Wil Grolsch bottles ... oh yeah, I know them well. They are for bottling homebrew ... aren't they? Photographer, homebrewer and meade maker for barter purposes (in reply to Road Dog) Post #: 73

RE: Prehistoric artifacts... - 4/4/2006 11:33:59 AM    GlassKeeper   Posts: 34 Joined: 7/23/2005 From: Vermont Status: offline amblypygi, What you found in the Connecticut River is a called a sinewstone, according to the book "Archaeology of New York State. It's described as a soft, abrasive stone against which a length of sinew is drawn back and forth, thinning the sinew and making it more uniform. The sinew was used for bow strings or for lashing or tying objects. Over time, deep grooves are worn into the stone from repeated use. Hope this helps. Nice find! I've been looking for one and haven't come across one yet. Jim < Message edited by GlassKeeper -- 4/4/2006 11:50:57 AM > (in reply to amblypygi) Post #: 74

RE: Prehistoric artifacts... - 4/4/2006 2:04:57 PM    NORG   Posts: 310 Joined: 5/4/2005 Status: offline Nice finds guys. I agree that the objects are sinewstones. -Here's a corner of a Dorset soapstone lamp (has some carbon on it too, from the burned seal fat) that my father found on the weekend. < Message edited by NORG -- 5/21/2007 10:27:41 AM > (in reply to Road Dog) Post #: 75

RE: Prehistoric artifacts... - 4/10/2006 4:58:12 PM    NORG   Posts: 310 Joined: 5/4/2005 Status: offline Here's some more stuff my father found this weekend. < Message edited by NORG -- 5/21/2007 10:28:09 AM > (in reply to Road Dog) Post #: 76

RE: Prehistoric artifacts... - 4/11/2006 10:03:38 AM    ehkahk   Posts: 87 Joined: 1/29/2006 Status: offline some I found, I can't find the rest of the pics. (in reply to Road Dog) Post #: 77

RE: Prehistoric artifacts... - 4/11/2006 6:44:31 PM    Road Dog Posts: 2792 Joined: 6/9/2005 From: Clayton, North Carolina Status: offline Nice finds guys! Here is a small corner notch I found last week while taking the dog for a walk. Picture reduced in size - please see Help - Using the Forum ---> Uploading a Picture - Admin Attachment (1) < Message edited by Admin -- 4/16/2006 3:41:24 AM > (in reply to Road Dog) Post #: 78

RE: Prehistoric artifacts... - 4/14/2006 5:58:09 PM    JustGlass   Posts: 1198 Joined: 7/22/2005 From: Green Mountains, Vermont Status: offline Here is a pendant that my dad found on a lake shore indian site. I was searching the rocky shore on my hands and knees, when my dad walked up to me and said would you like this. My heart raced as he opened his hand and showed me this small red pendant, and then my heart stopped as he handed it to my young son who was a step behind me. Oh well... I found half a pendant. Attachment (1) (in reply to NORG) Post #: 79

RE: Prehistoric artifacts... - 4/14/2006 5:59:33 PM    JustGlass   Posts: 1198 Joined: 7/22/2005 From: Green Mountains, Vermont Status: offline My half pendant Attachment (1) (in reply to Road Dog) Post #: 80

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