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RE: Prehistoric artifacts... - 4/14/2006 6:01:09 PM    JustGlass   Posts: 391 Joined: 7/22/2005 From: Green Mountains of Vermont Status: offline Just a few of my sons finds Attachment (1) (in reply to Road Dog) Post #: 81

RE: Prehistoric artifacts... - 4/14/2006 6:03:55 PM    JustGlass   Posts: 391 Joined: 7/22/2005 From: Green Mountains of Vermont Status: offline I found this tool on a site near a slow moving creek. It is wedge shaped. Does anybody know what this was used for? Attachment (1) (in reply to JustGlass) Post #: 82

RE: Prehistoric artifacts... - 4/14/2006 6:05:07 PM    JustGlass   Posts: 391 Joined: 7/22/2005 From: Green Mountains of Vermont Status: offline another angle Attachment (1) (in reply to JustGlass) Post #: 83

RE: Prehistoric artifacts... - 4/14/2006 6:06:15 PM    JustGlass   Posts: 391 Joined: 7/22/2005 From: Green Mountains of Vermont Status: offline bottom pic Attachment (1) (in reply to JustGlass) Post #: 84

RE: Prehistoric artifacts... - 4/14/2006 9:18:19 PM    southern Maine diver Posts: 1436 Joined: 8/13/2005 From: South Berwick, Maine USA Status: offline You guys find amazing stuff... Those indian artifacts, tools, points are really fantastic. I've asked this before, but I really wonder how much I am passing over while diving? I'm pretty zealous in my bottle hunting, but maybe I'm concentrating too much on the bottles and not looking for the other, smaller shapes. My hats off to you guys who have the eye for those tiny cut rocks, flints, tools!!! Wayne < Message edited by southern Maine diver -- 4/14/2006 9:19:28 PM > (in reply to JustGlass) Post #: 85

RE: Prehistoric artifacts... - 4/15/2006 3:50:19 PM    JGUIS   Posts: 1705 Joined: 3/18/2006 From: New Lexington, OH Status: offline Here's a few Ohio pieces. The granite copper hammer and adz, along with the Adena pieces are the oldest, with the exception of the pipe, not sure on its age. The largest piece is 4 3/4" X 4". Picture reduced in size - please see Help - Using the Forum ---> Uploading a Picture - Admin Attachment (1) < Message edited by Admin -- 4/16/2006 3:32:25 AM > _____________________________ A pipe gives a wise man time to think, and gives a fool something to stick in his mouth. (in reply to JustGlass) Post #: 86

RE: Prehistoric artifacts... - 4/15/2006 3:56:45 PM    JGUIS   Posts: 1705 Joined: 3/18/2006 From: New Lexington, OH Status: offline Here's a closer one on the pipe. An archaeologist looked at it, and said I should register it, and that it was a very important piece, something that would not have been thrown away. The other pipe piece is made from quartzite, and would have taken a long time to make. The hole through the center is nearly perfect, but still not sure if it was used for smoking, or some sort of musical instrument. Picture reduced in size - please see Help - Using the Forum ---> Uploading a Picture - Admin Attachment (1) < Message edited by Admin -- 4/16/2006 3:33:07 AM > _____________________________ A pipe gives a wise man time to think, and gives a fool something to stick in his mouth. (in reply to JustGlass) Post #: 87

RE: Prehistoric artifacts... - 4/15/2006 4:52:56 PM    capsoda Posts: 7924 Joined: 11/15/2005 From: Seminole,Alabama, USA Status: online It looks like an insturment. You could have tyed a reed on top and made it whistle. _____________________________ Warren Diggin down in Dixie, USA Work is for people who don't dig bottles President, Panhandle Cruisers http://www.panhandlecruisers.org/ (in reply to JustGlass) Post #: 88

RE: Prehistoric artifacts... - 4/15/2006 5:21:35 PM    Road Dog   Posts: 815 Joined: 6/9/2005 Status: offline Hey JGUIS what is the story on this white lance point with the flute? Looks Clovis like. Attachment (1) (in reply to JustGlass) Post #: 89

RE: Prehistoric artifacts... - 4/15/2006 8:45:13 PM    NORG   Posts: 310 Joined: 5/4/2005 From: Newfoundland, Canada Status: offline Nice stuff ehkahk, Road Dog , JustGlass and JGUIS. I also think that the white lance point has a similar shape and style to the Clovis points, could perhaps be 10 thousand years or more, if it is. Here's some stuff my father has at the local museum... < Message edited by NORG -- 5/21/2007 10:28:59 AM > (in reply to JustGlass) Post #: 90

RE: Prehistoric artifacts... - 4/16/2006 1:43:12 AM    JGUIS   Posts: 1705 Joined: 3/18/2006 From: New Lexington, OH Status: offline An archaeologist I showed told me that it, and the base of the black one, were early Adena. Somewhere in the neighborhood of 6-10,000 yrs. old. He has earlier pieces that he found while unearthing a settlement. He found pieces buried under cornerpost that were made exactly the same, but 4" long and VERY thin. In the same hole, he found some food ashes. He sent them off to be tested, and the carbon dating put them at (I forget the exact number)700-800 B.C. The only thing is, it's a fort, why a defensive hilltop fort in 800B.C. in Perry county Ohio? The points I'm talking about are in an Ohio book, guys name is James Dutcher. There were over 100 mounds in this county before the artifact boom in the 1800s, many were taken with coal, others tilled under over the last 200 years of farming. Artifacts around here are pretty plentiful if you know the right farmers, and dont mind pacing over hundreds of acres twice a year. Most of the time the same fields will yield points thousands of years apart, and they are still good hunting grounds today. Thw white point valued at 7-800, but I'd never sell it. _____________________________ A pipe gives a wise man time to think, and gives a fool something to stick in his mouth. (in reply to JustGlass) Post #: 91

RE: Prehistoric artifacts... - 4/16/2006 2:01:24 AM    JGUIS   Posts: 1705 Joined: 3/18/2006 From: New Lexington, OH Status: offline Here's a closeup. Picture reduced in size - please see Help - Using the Forum ---> Uploading a Picture - Admin Attachment (1) < Message edited by Admin -- 4/16/2006 3:34:17 AM > _____________________________ A pipe gives a wise man time to think, and gives a fool something to stick in his mouth. (in reply to JustGlass) Post #: 92

RE: Prehistoric artifacts... - 4/16/2006 2:05:56 AM    JGUIS   Posts: 1705 Joined: 3/18/2006 From: New Lexington, OH Status: offline Wow, those pics were bad. Sorry, quick shoot/edit. _____________________________ A pipe gives a wise man time to think, and gives a fool something to stick in his mouth. (in reply to JustGlass) Post #: 93

RE: Prehistoric artifacts... - 4/16/2006 3:35:10 AM    capsoda Posts: 7924 Joined: 11/15/2005 From: Seminole,Alabama, USA Status: online Hey Josh, The fort may have been built much later and on top of the Indian ruins. Man has been building on the same defensive high ground over and over for thousands of years. Just my guess. _____________________________ Warren Diggin down in Dixie, USA Work is for people who don't dig bottles President, Panhandle Cruisers http://www.panhandlecruisers.org/ (in reply to JustGlass) Post #: 94

RE: Prehistoric artifacts... - 4/16/2006 7:47:13 PM    GlassKeeper   Posts: 12 Joined: 7/23/2005 Status: offline NORG, Justglass didn't get his hands on this Otter creek spear point, but he did get to see me pick it up. Sorry justglass, but you do have a lot more heads. Jim Attachment (1) < Message edited by GlassKeeper -- 4/16/2006 8:02:18 PM > (in reply to NORG) Post #: 95

RE: Prehistoric artifacts... - 4/16/2006 8:08:20 PM    NORG   Posts: 310 Joined: 5/4/2005 From: Newfoundland, Canada Status: offline Nice one Glasskeeper. Rob (in reply to JustGlass) Post #: 96

RE: Prehistoric artifacts... - 4/19/2006 12:33:23 PM    JGUIS   Posts: 1705 Joined: 3/18/2006 From: New Lexington, OH Status: offline The fort was actually before the settlement, there are also a few mounds and effigies within a mile of it. One of the things that proved it was invasive burials in the mounds, and the layers of the fort. The fort itself is 27 acres enclosed, and can actually be seen on satellite images. It's shaped like Africa kinda. The only slight possibility so far is of the giants of North America. The black beards and the red beards supposedly warred against each other for years, and it apparently came to a head in the Ohio valley somewhere. Stories from some native tribes about this battle say that the black beards lived around Ohio and the reds further west. The reds attacked at one point and either drove the blacks away, or wiped them out. None of the natives claim relation to these giants, but Cherokees spoke of a few of them staying in their village for a few days, and helping with work and such. Skeletons have been found almost in a line from Canada to Georgia, some of them being 8-9' tall. Most of the area close to the fort is forest, some of it is silica quarries(they tried to level one of the largest mounds in Ohio, but we wouldn't let them), and most of the skirting land is farmed. I think I have figured one thing out though, if it's a good hunting area now, it probably was back then too. I always find more pieces in areas with more wildlife. What would natives need with a defensive structure that could have taken years to complete? Looking at history, whites say that savage animals didn't posses the domestication it took to be a fufilling society. That was our excuse for taking their land, but this was created thousands of years before we thought of crossing the ocean. That's one thing that bugs me, people pay thousands of dollars to go hundreds of miles to dig up other countries and figure out how life was back then, but there's so much here that can't be explained because studies stopped so long ago to make room for development. _____________________________ A pipe gives a wise man time to think, and gives a fool something to stick in his mouth. (in reply to JustGlass) Post #: 97

RE: Prehistoric artifacts... - 4/19/2006 2:14:13 PM    capsoda Posts: 7924 Joined: 11/15/2005 From: Seminole,Alabama, USA Status: online Sounds almost like they had some Viking visiters. Where can I find more info on the fort and gaints. I have heard of the log stackers that were supposed to be gaints. As far as studing instead of developing, money rules their sorry minds. < Message edited by capsoda -- 4/19/2006 1:14:53 PM > _____________________________ Warren Diggin down in Dixie, USA Work is for people who don't dig bottles President, Panhandle Cruisers http://www.panhandlecruisers.org/ (in reply to JustGlass) Post #: 98

RE: Prehistoric artifacts... - 4/19/2006 11:24:31 PM    JGUIS   Posts: 1705 Joined: 3/18/2006 From: New Lexington, OH Status: offline Check this out for the giants. I'll tell you now that it's alot of reading, but if your interest gets you through the first few paragraphs, you'll want to finish it. As far as the fort goes, there is very little published on it. Martzolffs history of Perry county has about the best description of it here in the prehistoric race section,but the most recent research is being done privately and nothing has been released. The historical scociety declined buying it, I think because of accessibility. < Message edited by JGUIS -- 4/19/2006 11:25:24 PM > _____________________________ A pipe gives a wise man time to think, and gives a fool something to stick in his mouth. (in reply to JustGlass) Post #: 99

RE: Prehistoric artifacts... - 4/20/2006 1:00:43 AM    capsoda Posts: 7924 Joined: 11/15/2005 From: Seminole,Alabama, USA Status: online Thanks Josh. _____________________________ Warren Diggin down in Dixie, USA Work is for people who don't dig bottles President, Panhandle Cruisers http://www.panhandlecruisers.org/ (in reply to JustGlass) Post #: 100

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