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RE: Can't describe the feeling - 1/15/2006 10:22:19 PM    capsoda Posts: 7510 Joined: 11/15/2005 From: Seminole,Alabama, USA Status: offline Hey Kelley, with the dragon on it I'd say it was probably made in Europe, possibly France and came to Texas through Mexico. Maybe Mexican Army issue, used in some battle against those Rebeldes Tejanos like the ones that held the Alamo. The brass cap looks like the hand end cap of the ramrod. It might have been droped or thrown away by a local Indian. I'd go over that hole area with a fine tooth comb and a magnifing glass. Very cool finds man. _____________________________ Warren Diggin down in Dixie, USA Work is for people who don't dig bottles President, Panhandle Cruisers http://www.panhandlecruisers.org/ (in reply to Gunsmoke47) Post #: 21

RE: Can't describe the feeling - 1/15/2006 10:27:48 PM    Gunsmoke47 Posts: 1155 Joined: 12/29/2003 From: TEXAS Status: offline Thanks Brian. Come up anytime and we'll have fun diggin for bottles, or metal detecting, or just drinkin Crown and swappin stories! I have found out for sure what I discovered. It is a Northwest Barnett Trade Gun. Complete with Dragon/Serpent side plate! Early 1800's. Mystery solved thanks to Google and an area archaeologist I know. Kelley (in reply to Gunsmoke47) Post #: 22

RE: Can't describe the feeling - 1/15/2006 10:33:13 PM    Gunsmoke47 Posts: 1155 Joined: 12/29/2003 From: TEXAS Status: offline Thanks Cap. We went over the area really well...... As well as 2 detectors can in an area that vast. Had to be a rider tooling along and his gun fell apart. Boy I bet he was surprised the next time he needed it in a hurry! Kelley (in reply to Gunsmoke47) Post #: 23

RE: Can't describe the feeling - 1/15/2006 10:50:00 PM    capsoda Posts: 7510 Joined: 11/15/2005 From: Seminole,Alabama, USA Status: offline Good deal Kelley, Glad you found the info you need. Excellent finds. _____________________________ Warren Diggin down in Dixie, USA Work is for people who don't dig bottles President, Panhandle Cruisers http://www.panhandlecruisers.org/ (in reply to capsoda) Post #: 24

RE: Can't describe the feeling - 1/16/2006 2:45:44 AM    cc6pack   Posts: 497 Joined: 7/12/2003 From: Mableton, Ga. Status: offline Gunsmoke I labeled a coupla the parts for you, I have some antique arms books if you need help in identifying. (in reply to Gunsmoke47) Post #: 25

RE: Can't describe the feeling - 1/16/2006 2:54:13 AM    cc6pack   Posts: 497 Joined: 7/12/2003 From: Mableton, Ga. Status: offline pic Attachment (1) (in reply to capsoda) Post #: 26

RE: Can't describe the feeling - 1/16/2006 7:58:24 AM    Gunsmoke47 Posts: 1155 Joined: 12/29/2003 From: TEXAS Status: offline Thanks a lot cc. That first question mark is the other end of the side plate. It snapped off. It's the end screwhole. Didn't know that other piece was the tumbler. I think that mashed piece might have gone on the end of the ramrod but it's hard to tell for sure. Thanks again for your research! Kelley PS. You would think we would have found a couple more screws but we didn't. < Message edited by Gunsmoke47 -- 1/16/2006 6:59:49 AM > (in reply to capsoda) Post #: 27

RE: Can't describe the feeling - 1/17/2006 9:15:25 AM    bearswede Posts: 2906 Joined: 9/28/2004 From: western mass Status: offline Here's a look at the complete piece... http://www.thefurtrapper.com/trade_guns.htm Ron _____________________________ "I LOVE Wolfies!!!!!!!!!!!!" (in reply to capsoda) Post #: 28

RE: Can't describe the feeling - 1/17/2006 9:34:27 AM    Ye Olde Prospector   Posts: 614 Joined: 1/23/2005 From: Bath, Maine Status: offline Hi Ron, That's an interesting article. I have dug up a few of those old scales with the hooks. Knew they were old scales but didn't know what they were called. Farmers probably used them for weighing meat and produce around here. Interesting. Cliff < Message edited by Ye Olde Prospector -- 1/17/2006 9:35:17 AM > (in reply to capsoda) Post #: 29

RE: Can't describe the feeling - 1/17/2006 12:45:26 PM    capsoda Posts: 7510 Joined: 11/15/2005 From: Seminole,Alabama, USA Status: offline Hey Kelly, The dragon side plate can be repaired if you can find someone that can do micro welding but you will lose the patina because it will have to be cleaned very well. I mention this because I had a time with a customer that I did some work for who aparently didn't understand what the words "cleaned very well" ment. It ruined his patina. _____________________________ Warren Diggin down in Dixie, USA Work is for people who don't dig bottles President, Panhandle Cruisers http://www.panhandlecruisers.org/ (in reply to capsoda) Post #: 30

RE: Can't describe the feeling - 1/17/2006 2:59:25 PM    bearswede Posts: 2906 Joined: 9/28/2004 From: western mass Status: offline quote: It ruined his patina. Patinas can be restored... _____________________________ "I LOVE Wolfies!!!!!!!!!!!!" (in reply to capsoda) Post #: 31

RE: Can't describe the feeling - 1/17/2006 4:59:25 PM    Gunsmoke47 Posts: 1155 Joined: 12/29/2003 From: TEXAS Status: offline Great article Ron, thanks a million! Cap, I would like it repaired but I am leary of messin with patina's. I really screwed up a few years ago when I unearthed a V.M.I. cartridge box plate in excellent condition. Yep, I cleaned it. It's still a beautiful artifact, it will never be for sale, and I know it's original, but if I had it to do over I would leave it alone. Ron, can patina's be restored to look right, or does it just look like someone tried to restore an artifact some idiot (like me) polished? Thanks guys, Kelley (in reply to capsoda) Post #: 32

RE: Can't describe the feeling - 1/17/2006 6:46:33 PM    capsoda Posts: 7510 Joined: 11/15/2005 From: Seminole,Alabama, USA Status: offline Hey Ron, You know this and I know this {I have to do it all the time in Jewelry work} But try to explane that to an histerical antiques dealer that kind of acts .....uuuh....kinda.....uuuh.....you know......dresses and acts like you old Aunt Bess. Yeah Kelly, Patina can be restored. Cleaning and polishing doesn't change value or fact there of, it is stricktly a preforance thing. _____________________________ Warren Diggin down in Dixie, USA Work is for people who don't dig bottles President, Panhandle Cruisers http://www.panhandlecruisers.org/ (in reply to capsoda) Post #: 33

RE: Can't describe the feeling - 1/17/2006 8:22:16 PM    bearswede Posts: 2906 Joined: 9/28/2004 From: western mass Status: offline Hey guys... This here ancient Roman coin looked like a blob of corroded metal when I got it in a bag of "dirty ol' coins" on ebay... When I was thru cleaning, it was like a bright shiney new penny... After several rounds of baking, chemical baths and gun blueing treatments... VOILA!!!! Ron PS... By the way, in case you guys were a'wonderin'... That's Crispus, xbastardx son of Constantine I... Attachment (1) _____________________________ "I LOVE Wolfies!!!!!!!!!!!!" (in reply to capsoda) Post #: 34

RE: Can't describe the feeling - 1/17/2006 9:59:25 PM    capsoda Posts: 7510 Joined: 11/15/2005 From: Seminole,Alabama, USA Status: offline Thats what I'm talkin about Ron. _____________________________ Warren Diggin down in Dixie, USA Work is for people who don't dig bottles President, Panhandle Cruisers http://www.panhandlecruisers.org/ (in reply to capsoda) Post #: 35

RE: Can't describe the feeling - 1/17/2006 10:47:09 PM    Gunsmoke47 Posts: 1155 Joined: 12/29/2003 From: TEXAS Status: offline Well I guess that answers my question Ron! Nice job! And you..... a retired archaeoligist knowing how to do that !!!. Seriously, I may pm you about my VMI plate. Kelley PS I love what you do with those coins. I've got about 6 or 8 of them myself and I've only been able to make one of them look decent with a couple of hours of electrolosis and a year of olive oil! (in reply to capsoda) Post #: 36

RE: Can't describe the feeling - 1/17/2006 11:31:52 PM    flasherr Posts: 538 Joined: 5/7/2004 From: Abilene Texas Status: offline Ive seen thoes ads on ebay for old coins that need to be cleaned. are they worth buying? im always leary about somethign i know nothing about unless it is real chaep lol Brian _____________________________ Know anyone around Abilene Texas that digs? (in reply to capsoda) Post #: 37

RE: Can't describe the feeling - 1/17/2006 11:55:07 PM    capsoda Posts: 7510 Joined: 11/15/2005 From: Seminole,Alabama, USA Status: offline Hey Brian, Not those little copper widows mites, they will crumble if you do almost anything to them. Thats why there soooo cheap. Hey Kelly, Gold , silver, copper and brass coins will cleane up quick with Muratic acid with out harming them. Gold can soak for ever, you can't hurt it, silver about a day but it turns black but can be cleaned after the acid with cheap silver cleaner. Copper and brass you have to watch. As soon as it looks clean take it out. Then they can be cleaned just like silver. If you want a patina on the Silver, copper or brass just rub it between your hands and put it away for a while and the tarnish returns. In my humble oppinion gold should shine and silver should have a rubbed or polished look. If you want your dragon fixed send me a PM. _____________________________ Warren Diggin down in Dixie, USA Work is for people who don't dig bottles President, Panhandle Cruisers http://www.panhandlecruisers.org/ (in reply to capsoda) Post #: 38

RE: Can't describe the feeling - 1/18/2006 10:09:51 AM    bearswede Posts: 2906 Joined: 9/28/2004 From: western mass Status: offline Hi Kelly... With coins, I've had good luck with lemon juice and those soft metal brushes with wooden handles...very cheap, at the hardware store... I've tried muriatic acid, but it requires some caution and should be diluted... Also tried electrolysis with a salt bath which works on really crusted stuff... Ron _____________________________ "I LOVE Wolfies!!!!!!!!!!!!" (in reply to Gunsmoke47) Post #: 39

RE: Can't describe the feeling - 1/18/2006 10:16:46 AM    bearswede Posts: 2906 Joined: 9/28/2004 From: western mass Status: offline quote: are they worth buying? im always leary about somethign i know nothing about unless it is real chaep lol Hi Brian... You can get bunches of real dirty coins for not too much money and have a lot of fun cleaning them up and seeing what you've got... You won't find gold, but I've found some silver plated coins and many are in decent shape so you can research the emperors... Most of the coins, even if in good shape, won't be worth a lot on the market... But definitely worth the fun... I did manage to find a $40-50 coin in one batch... Also, I take the better coins and make necklaces out of them... Ron Attachment (1) < Message edited by bearswede -- 1/18/2006 10:35:06 AM > _____________________________ "I LOVE Wolfies!!!!!!!!!!!!" (in reply to flasherr) Post #: 40

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