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RE: WEEKEND DIGGING PICS! - 2/2/2006 2:54:14 AM    atdadump   Posts: 58 Joined: 8/10/2004 Status: offline I apologise to everyone in the group if i offended anyone. I meant in no way to start trouble. I don't jump from group to group starting trouble as dirtflicker stated. I go thru and read the posts everyday as my time allows. I didn't target you Dirtflicker to be demeaning and i apologise to you i offended you. I don't have to prove to anyone that I've dug a forteen foot holes or dug twenty foot cisterns, I do buy a bottle or two on e-bay once in a while. Everything i previously said was meant to dig Safe!! Bottom line, no one has to take any sides, no one has to change there way of diggin. I'm older now, I've been in those places, I'm not jealous of what your finding Dirtflicker, I'm impressed with your finds. You got one hell of a dump there. We've obviously have two different styles of digging. When I get a chance I'll scan some photos and show some goods and bads that I've done. Please don't take it personal, we're all here for the same interest (in reply to dirtflicker) Post #: 21

RE: WEEKEND DIGGING PICS! - 2/2/2006 3:16:59 AM    madman   Posts: 4860 Joined: 2/5/2005 Status: offline ok damn ive been guilty of tunneling lol !! lets all just be very carefull, and enjoy digging and discovering the past, whether it be abm or pontil just have fun !! there is no other feeling i wish i had a 14ft dump, amen brother mike < Message edited by madman -- 2/2/2006 3:18:29 AM > (in reply to atdadump) Post #: 22

RE: WEEKEND DIGGING PICS! - 2/2/2006 6:10:55 AM    dirtflicker Posts: 938 Joined: 9/19/2005 Status: offline just lay off the lectures atadump....I don't think anyone in here wants to hear you preach safe digging....I think most of us are adults and common sense should let us know the risks and dangers. You and I obviously have different versions of safe digging. I will tell you another thing...I will keep posting photos of my DEEEEEEP holes and digs because I want to share my digging experiences with others. If you don't like my photos, skip over my posts....it's that easy man. Thats it on this issue for me.... (in reply to atdadump) Post #: 23

RE: WEEKEND DIGGING PICS! - 2/2/2006 10:41:18 AM    lexdigger   Posts: 929 Joined: 5/31/2005 From: Lexington, Ky. Status: offline Hey ya'll, I do have one thing to say on the subject. I've not been digging long, but long enough to know that you're going to get into a deep hole every now and then. The thing is, you just have to use common sense. We dug a 12 foot deep privy a couple of weekends ago and I felt as safe as I've ever felt down in a hole. The walls were Hard packed clay and it was almost impossible to even cut foot holds in the wall just to get out of the hole. On the other hand, I've seen people cause a cave in in just a four or five feet deep hole in a dump. It was thier own fault for tunneling under a huge slab of concrete. When it's wet, it's even easier to cause a cave in!!! Like I said, as long as you use common sense, it doesn't matter how deep or shallow you dig. It's always best to have someone up top watching the ground for cracks. When you notice the ground cracking, it's best to go ahead and knock it off instead of letting it cave in on you!!! If I feel safe enough, and have some other people with me, I wouldn't have any problem digging in a twenty feet deep hole. On the other hand, when you're digging alone it's always better to be safe than sorry... JMHO, Chris Capley Lexington, Ky. (in reply to atdadump) Post #: 24

RE: WEEKEND DIGGING PICS! - 2/2/2006 11:31:30 AM    deepwoods   Posts: 334 Joined: 2/9/2004 Status: offline Telling a guy not to dig deep after he's dug a few really good bottles is like telling a guy dating Miss November that looks dont matter. Next to futile. _____________________________ J.D (in reply to atdadump) Post #: 25

RE: WEEKEND DIGGING PICS! - 2/2/2006 2:22:38 PM    diggerjeff Posts: 555 Joined: 7/4/2004 From: central illinois Status: offline for those of you who dont like lectures ,please disregaurd this info.! this is advise for the beginner digger. you older seasoned diggers know what you are doing, i presume! there are several cheap and easy ways to protect ones self when digging deep holes. simple boxes made of plywood or sections of large dia. pvc pipe works well. cave-ins can happen even if you are not doing something STUPID such as tunneling. i have been digging steady for MANY (about 30) years and this issue still scares me. i dig straight holes and have had cave-ins at 6 feet down. that does not seem deep enough to trap a person, but the weight of the dirt is tremendous. always dig with a buddy if you plan to go deep. this is the guy who will watch the edges of the hole for cracks. i can't tell you how many times my buddy has saved my a$$, and i his!! diggers have lost lives by not paying attention to the surrounding dirt. please people , no bottle if worth the cost of your life!!! dig safely and use your common sense!!! jeff _____________________________ diggerjeff I DIG, THEREFORE I AM. (in reply to atdadump) Post #: 26

RE: WEEKEND DIGGING PICS! - 2/2/2006 4:28:14 PM    bearswede Posts: 2910 Joined: 9/28/2004 From: western mass Status: offline Thanks, Jeff, for your wise words... This is a forum about sharing ideas and opinions, and if someone feels the need to express concerns about safety when digging so that inexperienced diggers don't make some tragic mistake, I think we should all be able to accept that; especially if it's delivered in a thoughtful way, which I thought this was. We all have stuff to learn, and we all need to temper our strongly held beliefs thru compromise... Ron _____________________________ "I LOVE Wolfies!!!!!!!!!!!!" (in reply to diggerjeff) Post #: 27

RE: WEEKEND DIGGING PICS! - 2/2/2006 4:37:43 PM    youngpup Posts: 108 Joined: 12/9/2005 From: Pennsylvania Status: offline since we're all on the subject of digging...I would like to ask how to start a hole...I've always scrounged off the bottles on top, but now feel like they're just too common...I would like to start digging and don't know if i should just go ahead and dig with a shovel...or use a hoe to start the hole...I wouldn't want to break any bottles...The dump I found that I would like to start digging has WWII coke bottles on top and a bunch of old pepsi's so I figured it'd be a good place to dig....It's also like 6 miles into a deep greenbriar patch...so I know it's a virgin dump. Any tips on how to start and type of hole to dig would be greatly appreciated... Thanks, ~~Jesse~~ (in reply to atdadump) Post #: 28

RE: WEEKEND DIGGING PICS! - 2/2/2006 5:34:37 PM    dirtflicker Posts: 938 Joined: 9/19/2005 Status: offline Jeff.....you are absolutely correct.....I did not mean to start trouble...but you all know me in this forum by now.....you all know I dig deep.....and you all know I have been at it for a while.....so I will not have someone telling me how I should dig my holes. If you look at the pic, it is a nice straight hole with NO TUNNELING! youngpup, If you want to start a hole...first make sure you have a dump over two feet deep. Do do this use a probe or dig a "test hole." Once you determine how deep the dump is or may be, you can decide how to dig your hole. if the dump is down a bank or ravine, you should start at the bottom so you are not moving the tail pile more than once. If the dump is fairly shallow...it is safe to "ramp in" a little as long as you do not tunnel. If the dump is real deep (over 5') you should trench your hole and make sure the sides are straight....NO TUNNELING ESPECIALLY AT DEEP DEPTHS!!!! DANGEROUS!!! (in reply to atdadump) Post #: 29

RE: WEEKEND DIGGING PICS! - 2/2/2006 5:44:33 PM    youngpup Posts: 108 Joined: 12/9/2005 From: Pennsylvania Status: offline thanks a bunch dirtflicker...it's a flat area and i'm pretty sure it's a shallow...might prove myself wrong tomorrow tho...I'll make sure i wont tunnel (in reply to atdadump) Post #: 30

RE: WEEKEND DIGGING PICS! - 2/2/2006 6:13:46 PM    swizzle   Posts: 1325 Joined: 3/2/2005 From: Upstate NY Status: offline Get yourself a 3 prong fork or potato rake. They do less damage to the bottles your digging. Use the rake to make a pile then use your shovel to remove the excess fluff. You might also want to build a sifter in the near future. Buy yourself some wire mesh I believe it's called hardware cloth and some pvc pipe and cable ties. Cut the pvc to what ever length you plan on making your sifter. If 12" x 12" then you need 4 pieces 12"s long and four 90 degree corner pieces. Glue them together with pipe cement and then cut your wire mess 12 and a half inches by 12 and a half inches and then use the cable ties to attach the mesh to the pvc square that you've made. You'll want the extra half inch to work with. Better to be a half inch to long then a half inch short. Make sure the mess is small enough to catch a dime. Then when you want to sift just dump on some dirt and shake the dirt off of the broken glass and rusty tin and maybe some marbles and coins and various other treasures. Other things you'll want for digging includes a good pair of root cutters, leather work gloves to keep you from getting cut and needing a tetnis shot and bubble wrap for the finds that you want to keep. You may also want to buy some type of rubber dip or rubberized spray coating to cover the tips of your digging fork to further protect bottles from digger scratches. Hope this helps some. Can anyone else add to this? Jason (in reply to atdadump) Post #: 31

RE: WEEKEND DIGGING PICS! - 2/3/2006 9:12:26 AM    youngpup Posts: 108 Joined: 12/9/2005 From: Pennsylvania Status: offline Thanks a bunch for all your help! I don't know if i'll be able to get out this weekend tho...it's supposed to rain pretty hard. Anyway...I have a sifter that I used when i was little to fool around in the sandbox...it should work pretty well i think. Well...gotta go do school work. LOL! Thanks again! ~~Jesse~~ _____________________________ Jesse PA...Home of the Good Ole' Boys (in reply to atdadump) Post #: 32

RE: WEEKEND DIGGING PICS! - 2/3/2006 3:02:48 PM    grimdigger1   Posts: 87 Joined: 11/12/2004 Status: offline All you need is a good strong fork & preferably a round mouth shovel ,, cut yourself a good 5 foot sqaure hole and try to get to the bottom of the tip if you can after a while your eyes will adapt to see any odd shape items in the soil ash ..check out the video http://media.putfile.com/YESTERDAYS-DIG-22ND-JAN _____________________________ www.bottledigginguk.com/forum The home of the UK bottledigging/collecting forum check us out today !!! Now with digging video online !!! (in reply to atdadump) Post #: 33

RE: WEEKEND DIGGING PICS! - 2/3/2006 4:44:18 PM    youngpup Posts: 108 Joined: 12/9/2005 From: Pennsylvania Status: offline Hey...Thanks for the video...learned some tips from it...and thanks to all who provided me with information! Love the bottles in the video! (in reply to atdadump) Post #: 34

RE: WEEKEND DIGGING PICS! - 2/3/2006 7:17:12 PM    dirtflicker Posts: 938 Joined: 9/19/2005 Status: offline Just remember to dig safe......that means use your common sense......Grimdigger and swizzle offered you some good advice.....if your dump is 2 feet or shallower, use a potatoe scratcher...no real need for a shovel. If the dump is 3 feet or more.....you will need a shovel to move the fill around....Just remember if it seems unsafe it probably is.....but do not be afraid of putting a good, deep hole in the ground....as long as you do not tunnel and sure up the sides of the hole you will be all set.... (in reply to atdadump) Post #: 35

RE: WEEKEND DIGGING PICS! - 2/3/2006 9:19:30 PM    youngpup Posts: 108 Joined: 12/9/2005 From: Pennsylvania Status: offline Well do...I'm pretty sure it's shallow but i lifted a piece of metal or something and realized that it was somewhat deep...I'll make sure I post what i found...i don'd have a digital camera...but my friend does...so maybe i'll get some pics up too! I'll put up a pic of the dump for ya guys! (in reply to atdadump) Post #: 36

RE: WEEKEND DIGGING PICS! - 2/3/2006 10:36:58 PM    downeastdigger Posts: 1405 Joined: 8/22/2005 From: Crawling through the mud and briars of Eliot Maine Status: offline I confess I'm a tunneller. I have no self control once I hit a vein of pontils. I wind up reaching in and grabbing, then darting out hoping it doesn't cave while I'm grabbing bottles. I got caved in on once, up to my chest. Scared the crap out of me. Luckily there was someone with me in another hole. It took him a while to hear me yelling, but he came and dug me out. Cave ins make for NASTY nightmares. You wake up flailing about , kicking your spouse out of the bed, and throwing blankets everywhere. So I confess I dont have the self discipline to keep from tunneling if my greedy little hands are pulling out 1840's virgin trash. But I don't want to die, so I tend to just stay away from the deep land fill dumps, and stick with my small single house dumps, and river banks, and shallow New England privies. GO FIND SOME PONTILS !! Bram (in reply to atdadump) Post #: 37

RE: WEEKEND DIGGING PICS! - 2/3/2006 10:51:59 PM    youngpup Posts: 108 Joined: 12/9/2005 From: Pennsylvania Status: offline yea...I'm definetely not gunna tunnel...I hope i find some pontils...pontils are the ones with the goofy tops...right? (in reply to atdadump) Post #: 38

RE: WEEKEND DIGGING PICS! - 2/4/2006 5:35:29 PM    dirtflicker Posts: 938 Joined: 9/19/2005 Status: offline Nope........pontiled are the ones with goofy bottoms.......... < Message edited by dirtflicker -- 2/5/2006 7:22:30 AM > (in reply to atdadump) Post #: 39

RE: WEEKEND DIGGING PICS! - 2/4/2006 5:38:02 PM    monsterdigger   Posts: 76 Joined: 12/4/2005 From: crestwood, illinois Status: offline Lets not argue guys. We all enjoy the same hobby, so lets enjoy it..........................................Hey dirtflicker, by the way, Im very jelous of your finds and your depth, wish i could come diggin with you guys, but i prefer Moosehead beer...............lol.....................Jake. _____________________________ Anyone want to dig in illinois? (in reply to dirtflicker) Post #: 40

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