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RE: Pontil? - 2/7/2006 4:18:18 PM    GuntherHess Posts: 5160 Joined: 12/13/2004 From: Frederick Maryland Status: offline I think you are correct , since graphite wont actually stick to molten glass, the residue probably wouldnt stay on the glass like iron oxides do. Good thing i never used the term graphite pontil in my book... _____________________________ Looking for Frederick Maryland and Dr Fahrney Bottles 2008 Medicine Bottle Price Guide on CDROM http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/BottleBook2008.htm email http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/email.jpg (in reply to Road Dog) Post #: 21

RE: Pontil? - 2/8/2006 11:58:40 AM    Oldtimer Posts: 745 Joined: 5/13/2004 From: Effingham NH. Where else? Status: offline So if I find a "sandy" feeling bottom...it is likely an improved pontil? I have dug several bottles with the rough sandy feeling bottom... _____________________________ STOP THE CAR !! I think I see a cellarhole !!! (in reply to GuntherHess) Post #: 22

RE: Pontil? - 2/8/2006 3:32:21 PM    capsoda Posts: 7924 Joined: 11/15/2005 From: Seminole,Alabama, USA Status: online Hey Richard, Most likely it is but keep in mind that most pontil marks made other than by a glass pontil can be considered improved. The roughness you feel is probably from an iron {improved} pontil rod that may have left a deposit of some kind {sand, powdered glass, iron} that has faded away. Some sand and glass powder pontils were fire polished and take a lot of study to ID. Just keep in mind that there are glass pontil rods and iron pontil rods. Everything else is just a method to attach or remove a pontil rod efficiently and leaves different kinds of marks on the bottle. _____________________________ Warren Diggin down in Dixie, USA Work is for people who don't dig bottles President, Panhandle Cruisers http://www.panhandlecruisers.org/ (in reply to GuntherHess) Post #: 23

RE: Pontil? - 2/9/2006 9:05:59 AM    Oldtimer Posts: 745 Joined: 5/13/2004 From: Effingham NH. Where else? Status: offline Thanks Cappy! I almost bought an "improved pontil" ink last year...cone aqua, crude, droopy lip, bubbly...large ring of "sand/glass" on the bottom...$35 bucks..if it were any other color...or had any embossing...alas..none.. _____________________________ STOP THE CAR !! I think I see a cellarhole !!! (in reply to GuntherHess) Post #: 24

RE: Pontil? - 2/9/2006 11:21:49 AM    cowseatmaize Posts: 2135 Joined: 12/2/2004 From: Metro West, MA Status: offline Hey everyone, have you forgotton the white? According to Cecil Munsey that one has much speculation to it. One theory is it was a kind of coating to try and keep breakage down with all the washing. I'll try and get a scan of the page if your interested. _____________________________ My 10¢ worth (inflation) Eric If you love what your doing it might be illegal, so watch your back. (in reply to GuntherHess) Post #: 25

RE: Pontil? - 2/9/2006 11:43:11 AM    CALDIGR2   Posts: 527 Joined: 6/20/2005 Status: offline Here is an interesting tidbit. The first trade mark obtained in the State Of California was for white paint on the bottom of soda bottles. The year was 1861. Mike (in reply to GuntherHess) Post #: 26

RE: Pontil? - 2/10/2006 5:48:28 AM    cowseatmaize Posts: 2135 Joined: 12/2/2004 From: Metro West, MA Status: offline That's more that interesting. That seems to confirm what Munsey was saying, although he had white dating mostly between 1870-80. I thought I read somewhere that the first actual bottle manufacture out west was around 1859. I can't find that info now. Where did you get the patent info? _____________________________ My 10¢ worth (inflation) Eric If you love what your doing it might be illegal, so watch your back. (in reply to GuntherHess) Post #: 27

RE: Pontil? - 2/10/2006 7:29:53 AM    caldigs   Posts: 171 Joined: 5/19/2005 From: San Francisco, CA Status: offline its a sticky-ball pontil (in reply to Road Dog) Post #: 28

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