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RE: Price's Patent Candle Co. - 2/11/2006 6:11:06 PM    GuntherHess Posts: 4673 Joined: 12/13/2004 From: Frederick Maryland Status: online quote: Price's Patent Candle Co From what I have read, one of the contents was glycerine, which could be considered medicinal. You may ask "what is an English bottle doing in an American price guide". My thought was to list some English bottles (ones that didnt have obvious city names on them) so collectors would know they are imports . You can often tell British bottles just by the lip style, color, or other features. Some of them are a bit harder to tell. Nothing against the British , but for the most part I don't see as much interest (and value) from American collectors in those bottles. Its good to know if you are paying for what looks like a rare medicine to know if its American or foreign. _____________________________ Looking for Frederick Maryland and Dr Fahrney Bottles 2008 Medicine Bottle Price Guide on CDROM http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/BottleBook2008.htm email http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/email.jpg (in reply to bearswede) Post #: 21

RE: Price's Patent Candle Co. - 2/11/2006 6:15:36 PM    grimdigger1   Posts: 87 Joined: 11/12/2004 Status: offline These are readily collected as cures in the UK ,,They contained a type of glycerine which was taken a a cough cure either on its own or mixed with honey etc to make it taste better.. These bottles are also found with prices patent soap company embossed instead of candle and the soap ones are twice the price of the candle varieties.. The come pontilled and non pontilled in aqua and light blue ,cobalt blue in two sizes the double capacities are very rare .. Ther is also an amber one in existance but the whereabouts of this bottle is unknown since the 1980s _____________________________ www.bottledigginguk.com/forum The home of the UK bottledigging/collecting forum check us out today !!! Now with digging video online !!! (in reply to bearswede) Post #: 22

RE: Price's Patent Candle Co. - 2/11/2006 6:54:54 PM    portland med. man   Posts: 296 Joined: 2/25/2005 Status: offline here`s one i dug up in maine very nice bottle and from what the boys over the pond say somewhat rare , especially in the us.... Attachment (1) (in reply to GuntherHess) Post #: 23

RE: Price's Patent Candle Co. - 2/11/2006 6:55:33 PM    portland med. man   Posts: 296 Joined: 2/25/2005 Status: offline here`s a cool druggist i got at the same place pure drugs... Attachment (1) < Message edited by portland med. man -- 2/11/2006 7:16:01 PM > (in reply to GuntherHess) Post #: 24

RE: Price's Patent Candle Co. - 2/11/2006 8:23:29 PM    Bluegrass   Posts: 84 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: offline Hi Grim--the one I dug certainly had paraffin and wax in it. Once you took the cork out, it stunk to high hell. I just can't imagine that being swallowed by anyone. John (in reply to grimdigger1) Post #: 25

RE: Price's Patent Candle Co. - 2/11/2006 8:31:49 PM    Bluegrass   Posts: 84 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: offline Here's a link that might help http://www.vauxhallandkennington.org.uk/candles.shtml I have read three different articles on the company and none suggest that anything was ever made for human consumption. They do mention a salve for burns and skin disorders. They also speak of the paraffin+wax mixture I spoke of: it was used for burning in oil lamps etc. Then, of course, there is the soap they made. Boy I'd love to see a pic of one with soap company written on it--must be rare as hens teeth! John (in reply to GuntherHess) Post #: 26

RE: Price's Patent Candle Co. - 2/11/2006 9:55:58 PM    capsoda Posts: 7506 Joined: 11/15/2005 From: Seminole,Alabama, USA Status: offline Glycerine is rendered from animal fat and is used as a medicine, in candle making and in fat burning lamps, among other things. Paraffin is a by-product of gasoline and is used in candle making as a lubricant and to make plastic, among other things. Wax comes from bees and is used in making candles, as a lubricant and in foods and medicines and too many other things to mention. The bottle you have probably held kerosene which was called paraffin oil in Old English and Colonial English. It was used as a medicine to sterilize wounds and to move the bowels and as lamp oil. You can referance anything I have stated in dictionarys and encyclopedias plus I have witnessed the use of kerosine to sterilize wounds on humans when I was a boy. The really old timers used it for alot of weird things. Hey Matt, I'd say leave it in your book. If you take out all the quack medicines your book will only be 2 or 3 pages. LoL < Message edited by capsoda -- 2/11/2006 9:57:35 PM > _____________________________ Warren Diggin down in Dixie, USA Work is for people who don't dig bottles President, Panhandle Cruisers http://www.panhandlecruisers.org/ (in reply to GuntherHess) Post #: 27

RE: Price's Patent Candle Co. - 2/11/2006 10:12:49 PM    Bluegrass   Posts: 84 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: offline No one doubts your profound knowledge on the subject of glycerine and its multiple uses! I'm only interested in what was in the Patent Candle bottles. The link I gave is a brief summary of their products. Don't take my word for it, take theirs. John (in reply to GuntherHess) Post #: 28

RE: Price's Patent Candle Co. - 2/12/2006 6:11:37 AM    David E Posts: 995 Joined: 5/24/2004 Status: offline Only one I find in "FIKE" WITCH CREME PRICE DRUGGIST SALEM MASS Advertised 1875; 1910, AD Color & Dimens. unk. Dave < Message edited by David E -- 2/12/2006 6:12:37 AM > (in reply to bearswede) Post #: 29

RE: Price's Patent Candle Co. - 2/12/2006 6:48:54 AM    bearswede Posts: 2906 Joined: 9/28/2004 From: western mass Status: offline quote: the subject of glycerine and its multiple uses! I'm only interested in what was in the Patent Candle bottles. The link I gave is a brief summary of their products. Clearly, the company produced glycerine which had medicinal properties and was likely to have been sold in the bottles in question (and, no doubt, these generically labled bottles contained other products as well such as the one you dug)... Mystery pretty much solved... Ron _____________________________ "I LOVE Wolfies!!!!!!!!!!!!" (in reply to Bluegrass) Post #: 30

RE: Price's Patent Candle Co. - 2/12/2006 12:31:40 PM    cowseatmaize Posts: 2135 Joined: 12/2/2004 From: Metro West, MA Status: offline OK, I just bought a steak which I'll probably need after this comment but if I get a black eye and put the steak on it is it then a medicinal steak? All fun aside, lots of products had more than one use. This is where we get most of our ideas from. Almost all have been from seeing one thing and using for another. Cotton is used for clothing and bandages. Mix booze with honey and it's cough syrup. Sell them seperate and ones a drug and the other is food. Turpentine is a muscle rub and a wood cleaner etc. I think the question remains at what did the maker intend it for? I still have to vote for household. I'm not saying I'm right or your wrong, there's a lot of grey in this world but that's my opinion. Well, off to shovel some more. Have a great day. _____________________________ My 10¢ worth (inflation) Eric If you love what your doing it might be illegal, so watch your back. (in reply to GuntherHess) Post #: 31

RE: Price's Patent Candle Co. - 2/12/2006 6:05:42 PM    grimdigger1   Posts: 87 Joined: 11/12/2004 Status: offline There are some labeled ones in collections in the Uk will try and find a pic of one .. They have always been collected as cures in the UK ,,but this may be wong ??? one to ponder _____________________________ www.bottledigginguk.com/forum The home of the UK bottledigging/collecting forum check us out today !!! Now with digging video online !!! (in reply to GuntherHess) Post #: 32

RE: Price's Patent Candle Co. - 2/14/2006 4:54:39 AM    bottleboy311 Posts: 173 Joined: 11/22/2005 From: Central Florida Status: offline My vote is for a household or manufacturing item. I don't think glycerine was in these bottles they are much too large. Yes glycerine was used for medicinal purposes and may have been sold in large amounts for that purpose. But Prices's was not in the medicine business. They were making and selling consumer products, soaps, candles etc. Glycerine may just have been another product to make and sell that would compliment their other products. Glycerine has been and continues to be used for many industrial and non-medicinal purposes. It is used as a lubricant, a cleaning agent,it is an additive in certain type of inks, it is used as an additive to soften and rejevenate products like rubber and certain types of plastics, and it is used as a release agent for lining in molds. All of these purposes, would require only a small amount. I use to use glycerine in the making of rubber products and never bought or saw a bottle of glycerine over 2 ounces. Price's Patented Candle Co. made soap products and glycerine may have been an additive for their soaps. Also it could have been used in a the candle making process to line the molds so the wax would not stick to the metal. However, for either of these purposes, I don't think it would have been sold in a bottle as large as the Price's. Prices's Patened bottles are probably 10 to 12 ounces at least. Most likely, these bottles held the wax, soap or paraffin. That amount of glycerine, 10 to 12 ounces, would have been over kill for the consumer making candles or soap. If glycerine was used as a release agent, or an aditive, one or two ounces would last for at least 6 to 10, 12 ounce bottles of wax. Lee Oh and by the way Ron, if sherry wine is medicinal, I am going to have my Doctor write me and my wife some Rx's. I could use the medical write-off on my taxes next year. _____________________________ I was feeling sorry for myself because I had no shoes. Than I met a man who had no feet. So I said, .............. "Freind, can I have your shoes?" (in reply to GuntherHess) Post #: 33

RE: Price's Patent Candle Co. - 2/14/2006 6:06:52 AM    deepbluedigger   Posts: 221 Joined: 1/12/2006 From: Yorkshire, England Status: offline The glycerine was largely a by-product of the production process for candle manufacture. When Prices started out in 1830 the glycerine was mostly dumped into the river Thames (the factory was alongside the river) as a waste product, but a wide market was found for the stuff starting in about the 1850s (the diamond shaped embossing on the bottle is a British registered design symbol, the coded letters and numbers dating the design to December 1853 - this is the earliest possible date for these bottes, but they still had the diamond embossed into the 1880s or 1890s). The glycerince was used for medicinal purposes, and was certainly in many cases, although probably not all, sold as such, at least in Britain. It was used externally as a skin treatment, especially for burns, and was used internally to aid digestion. The pontiled examples would date to about 1854 - 1865. The known colours in the UK are various shades of blue, aqua (much less common than the blue) and amber (only one known - it was dug in good condition way back in the 1970s, and then was accidentally broken about 20 years later!!). A real lime green one with a pontil, as mentioned above, would be a mega-rare bottle. There are also very rare double - capacity examples in blue. Roughly quart size. Another rare variation in blue is embossed 'Prices Soap Company Limited', but is otherwise about identical to the candle Co bottles. DBD (in reply to bearswede) Post #: 34

RE: Price's Patent Candle Co. - 2/14/2006 6:19:09 AM    deepbluedigger   Posts: 221 Joined: 1/12/2006 From: Yorkshire, England Status: offline Forgot to mention - the bottle was used for glycerine. There are a number of examples with original labels in various collections over here in Britain. This is a pic re-photographed from a magazine (ABC-UK, #14), of a candle co bottle with label. [IMG]http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c20/deepbluedigger/Pricescandlecowithlabel.jpg[/IMG] DBD (in reply to GuntherHess) Post #: 35

RE: Price's Patent Candle Co. - 2/14/2006 6:20:25 AM    deepbluedigger   Posts: 221 Joined: 1/12/2006 From: Yorkshire, England Status: offline Try again - maybe it will work this time...... Attachment (1) (in reply to GuntherHess) Post #: 36

RE: Price's Patent Candle Co. - 2/14/2006 7:14:32 AM    Bluegrass   Posts: 84 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: offline We're still going on this! The one I dug had the paraffin-wax solution still in it and dated to 1870. The contents were used for burning in oil lamps. It's quite possible that over the next 40 years, all kinds of other stuff wound up in the bottles as the company and its products expanded. The newer ones that are dug primarily in the UK were certainly mass produced and probably had various different products in them. Why we ever started arguing about what single product was in the bottle, I'll never know. Now we can all be shiny, happy people holding hands and let peace and freedom rule eternal. God bless Price's Patent Candle Company. Amen! John. (in reply to GuntherHess) Post #: 37

RE: Price's Patent Candle Co. - 2/14/2006 8:07:02 AM    Bluegrass   Posts: 84 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: offline Very neat that you have that photo, you'd think there'd be more. I think my partner still has the shards of the lime green, pontiled version. I'll try to get a picture of them next time I see him. I wouldn't be so obstinate about the lamp oil issue if the bottle I dug had not still had the cork in it and foil remaining around the top. When I popped that cork out to clean out the contents, my entire house stank like paraffin for the next two days! John. (in reply to deepbluedigger) Post #: 38

RE: Price's Patent Candle Co. - 2/14/2006 9:51:51 AM    baltbottles   Posts: 823 Joined: 11/25/2002 From: Baltimore Maryland Status: offline Ok heres a question for you. What do you think was in the wedge shaped pontiled Davis & Miller Druggists Baltimore bottles these are about the same size as the price's bottles and the same wedge shape? Theres also 3 or 4 other american pontiled "medicines" in this size and shape what do you think these contained? Chris _____________________________ Please visit my website at : www.geocities.com/baltbottles/index.html (in reply to GuntherHess) Post #: 39

RE: Price's Patent Candle Co. - 2/14/2006 11:12:10 AM    Bluegrass   Posts: 84 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: offline Hi Chris.... I'd love to see pics of them. Never even heard of them. Do you think they were trying to rival the Price's company? By the way, the snow should be melting up there soon John. (in reply to baltbottles) Post #: 40

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