bottleboy311
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At least the seller is honest enough to let people know that the color has been altered by artificial means.
(quote fom Woody)
Woody, he does not tell people it is been altered by artifical means. He says it is Not an altered jar. This is a direct qoute from his listing:
"It is NOT an altered jar, as this purple color would naturally occur over many years exposure to the sun. "
I don't think it would turn that purple even if it had been expossed to direct sun light for 500 years. A friend of my had a box with two 25 watt gemicidal lamps, the box was lined with foil to reflect light. He placed a jar in the box for 2 years just to see if it would turn a deeper purple. 2 years in a box w/ 2 - 25 watt bulbs would probablly be like 40-50 years of ultra-violet sun exposser. The results were the SCA was no different than the jars he placed in the box for 2 weeks. There is only so much manganes to turn purple. Sure you might get the rare 1 in ten thousand that has a lot of manganes, like the broken blob top you found on a pile of rocks, but this guy has 6 or more of deep purple jars and bottles listed. Did he go through 60,000 bottles and jars to find these? Or did he just happened to run across all of these unusual 1 in ten thousand high manganes bottles and jars? Niether the glass in these items were altered and he totally denies it telling people it is natural. Why? So he can make more money.
The monecules in this glass have been tampered with. THE JAR IS ALTERED!! Yet people are buying this as natural when all it is is eye candy. Furthermore most collectors would agree it is worth less than before the item was altered. This is $2.00 to $4.00 Jar in the Red Book. And it is only listed as Clear not SCA. Curently it is bid up to $37.33 with 5 days and 6 hours left till it closes. I have two or three of them in my garage right now, I probably paid less than a dollar for each of them. One I know is lightly SCA. Now if play around with my jar, as this person or someone else had with this jar before it listed, make it deep purple, does this mean I can get $35.00, $45.00 or more for $4.00 jar, that has been altered and I state in my listing as this person did:
"It is NOT an altered jar, as this purple color would naturally occur over many years exposure to the sun. "
I DON'T THINK SO! IT WOULD BE WRONG FALSE ADVERTISING. I would be no better than a con man.
If I list it saying It has been altered by some means to make it this nice deep purple, or state this is not fully natural and someone wants it and is willing to pay $40.00 for that is their progative. I have been honest and have made no false statments in my listing. The old saying "Buyer Beware", runs true on ebay. Most of us have bought something either for our collection or resale that we thought it was in great condition ans it ended up being a repro, altered repaired, damaged or fake. I doesn't feel good when this happened. Because of this we now always double and triple check the items. Well this happens to a new or unseasoned collector, it turns then off to the hobby. Back in the 1980's I collected Old Coca Cola serving and tip trays. Than in the mid to late 80's the repro started comming out. It was sometimes hard to tell the difference because the repro lokked so good. Repros were selling as old trays. When a newer collector bought a repro tray as an old tray and found out it was a repro, worth less than a 10th of what they paid, they may decide not to purchase any item like it again. This made the demand for the old items fall bring the values down. It wasn't for almost 7 years until values started going up again. I am afraid today the same thing might be happening. With repro bottles and jars being made in Tiawan, Korea and India. And yo yo's out there altering the colors by staining, heating and nuking the glass. People who pay $40.00 for $5.00 altered item will get turned off to collecting. They will be affaid to buy a perfectly good bottle or jar from a honest dealer, because they were scamed before. And those of us that look forward to sales of bottles and jars as an addtional to our income will be effected. And those with collection may need to wait years until the value of the items go back up to what they once were.
Guys like this need to be stopped before they screw it up for all of us. I don't know what the answer is, I put up an idea, maybe someome out there has a better idea. But some how some way it needs to stop, because I do see the writting on the wall.
Lee
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