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RE: Croton Ink - 8/31/2006 8:33:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		I see references for Francis and Loutrel from the 1850s to the 1876 exposition.
I would guess the bottle was made sometime before Francis joined with Loutrel. Probably dating it around 1840s.

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RE: Croton Ink - 9/1/2006 1:22:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		here's the others bottles that was in the box of bottles the old man gave me with the pontil         nothing to great but there still nice               hope he has more boxes like to dig out              and for knowing were he found the pontil his has no cule junt in a dump when he was a kid      well here they are hope ypu all like them also




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RE: Croton Ink - 9/1/2006 1:29:24 AM   
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RE: Croton Ink - 9/1/2006 2:13:12 AM   
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RE: Croton Ink - 9/1/2006 4:37:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think Matts on the right track for the label but remember, that's just the label. It could very well be a used bottle of something from some other time.

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RE: Croton Ink - 9/1/2006 6:46:11 AM   
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left side


Interesting to note the English spelling of "Colour" on the left side of the label, but the American spelling found in the advertisment Matt found...


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RE: Croton Ink - 9/1/2006 8:11:10 AM   
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Status: online 		The glass quality, color, and characteristic are very similar to other NY state utility bottles that I have. The early Mount Vernon Glassworks and Mt Pleasant Glass produced many utilitarian wares, and beverage type bottles. This is obviously a master ink, and is similar in character to the 8-sided utility that I am posting, same tubular pontil as well. I have also owned an E Waters master ink with a full label that has the same look and feel as this bottle. With Matt's research of a NY merchant having the same name and marketing the "Croton Ink" in the 1850s, I would say conclusively that this one is upstate NY, circa 1830s or 40s, prior to the partnership. Nice work Matt. 

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RE: Croton Ink - 9/1/2006 8:25:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		Anyone know what croton ink is? The only thing I can find on croton is it's a colorful plant that they get an oil from. Dont know if that's what they made the ink from? The first references to croton ink I can find are from the 1830s.

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RE: Croton Ink - 9/1/2006 8:40:38 AM   
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Status: online 		I just did some very quick research and found that Croton was a town just North of New York city, where the Hudson river meets the Croton river. So there is a town and river by the name of "Croton".   Mike

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RE: Croton Ink - 9/1/2006 10:51:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think I have heard my mom or dad use the term "croton oil" I will check with them this evening and see what I can come up with.

Croton Tiglium is a tree Cultivated in India and used for alot of different things.Google it up.

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RE: Croton Ink - 9/1/2006 1:44:12 PM   
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RE: Croton Ink - 9/1/2006 3:59:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		Croton is a pretty  common house plant, I think I used to have one.
http://www.evergrowing.com/tips/croton.htm

Dont know if they ever made ink from them.

saw this...
Dragon's blood is a bright red resin that is obtained from different species of four distinct plants genera Croton, Dracaena, Daemonorops, and Pterocarpus. The red resin was used in ancient times as varnish, medicine, and dyes.

I guess croton ink was probably made from the red dye.   it appears this plant is different than the  croton house plant (another species)

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RE: Croton Ink - 9/1/2006 4:29:01 PM   
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different than the croton house plant


There's a Croton Punctatus, the Gulf Croton that grows mainly in the extreme southern US, but also as far north as Pennsylvania... It's a plain green plant, bit still has that "tropical" look to it...


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RE: Croton Ink - 9/1/2006 4:56:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hey Ron, that Gulf Croton is a pain in the a$$ if it gets a foot hold. Good for land scaping though cause it's a weed like most other land scaping weeds around here.LoL

Hey Matt, My mom says her aunt use lamp black and croton oil for ink. Says it was bad news to get on your skin because it burned and caused a rash. They also used it in very small doses to blow themselves out when constipated. Say it almost worked too well.

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RE: Croton Ink - 9/1/2006 10:50:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm a chef by trade, and I do believe that crotons are what we put on Caesar salads  :)

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RE: Croton Ink - 9/2/2006 7:49:09 AM   
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I do believe that crotons are what we put on Caesar salads :)


That's a RIOT, Bram!!

I, too, am a chef... But I know that "croton" refers to the common cockroach... Good eatin' and probably makes good ink, too!!! ROR!!!


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RE: Croton Ink - 9/2/2006 11:30:51 AM   
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I'm a chef by trade, and I do believe that crotons are what we put on Caesar salads  :)


You mean those little rocks in salads?


quote:

I, too, am a chef... But I know that "croton" refers to the common cockroach... Good eatin' and probably makes good ink, too!!! ROR!!!


Only good eatin if you pull off the legs first.

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RE: Croton Ink - 9/2/2006 11:26:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hey  thanks for all the replys                but from the sounds of things we all need to get together and fix some food      I to am a chef  have been for a few years now          do alittle digging fix some good food hang with friends         does it get any better then that  well and somthing to wash it all down with             well later     

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RE: Croton Ink - 9/3/2006 1:18:11 PM   
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RE: Croton Ink - 9/3/2006 1:48:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		HeHeHeHeHe......Thats a good one Ron.

Bram has seen me and Ron eat. Could get scary.

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