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RE: How Good Are You At ID'ing Shards? - 10/25/2006 2:43:56 PM    swizzle   Posts: 1325 Joined: 3/2/2005 From: Upstate NY Status: offline Cornicopia base.. Attachment (1) (in reply to swizzle) Post #: 41

RE: How Good Are You At ID'ing Shards? - 10/25/2006 2:45:06 PM    swizzle   Posts: 1325 Joined: 3/2/2005 From: Upstate NY Status: offline End of the Cornicopia. Attachment (1) (in reply to swizzle) Post #: 42

RE: How Good Are You At ID'ing Shards? - 10/25/2006 2:46:08 PM    swizzle   Posts: 1325 Joined: 3/2/2005 From: Upstate NY Status: offline Another pic of the 4X4. Swizzle Attachment (1) (in reply to swizzle) Post #: 43

RE: How Good Are You At ID'ing Shards? - 10/25/2006 2:49:10 PM    earlyglass   Posts: 353 Joined: 12/21/2004 Status: offline Thanks Swizzle... someday I will call you Jason and you can call me Mike!  I will take some pics of some of my shards.... you will see just how similar these glasshouses (which are roughly 250 miles apart?) are almost identical. Many of your utility, whiskey and ale bottles also have the dot in the base center which is well known for Stoddard glass. It certainly is interesting.   Mike (in reply to swizzle) Post #: 44

RE: How Good Are You At ID'ing Shards? - 10/25/2006 2:49:17 PM    swizzle   Posts: 1325 Joined: 3/2/2005 From: Upstate NY Status: offline I think that's all for now. Swizzle (in reply to swizzle) Post #: 45

RE: How Good Are You At ID'ing Shards? - 10/28/2006 11:27:21 AM    downeastdigger Posts: 1369 Joined: 8/22/2005 From: Crawling through the mud and briars of Eliot Maine Status: offline This is from a couple of years ago,  I dug all these shards and glued them all back together. It is almost,  a Smith's Green Mountain Renovator from Vt,  pontilled. Attachment (1) _____________________________ Bram Get busy diggin, or get busy dyin' http://www.GreatBayCatering.com (in reply to swizzle) Post #: 46

RE: How Good Are You At ID'ing Shards? - 10/28/2006 11:36:10 AM    downeastdigger Posts: 1369 Joined: 8/22/2005 From: Crawling through the mud and briars of Eliot Maine Status: offline Here are parts of 2 Lafayette flasks.  I dug one in Exeter NH, and one in Epping NH. Both of these towns are on rte 101.   There is a plaque on that road that calls rte 101 "The Lafayette Road" or something like that.  It tells how after the Revolutionary war, General Lafayette travelled this road from Portsmouth to Concord NH,  like a victory tour type of thing, I think.  It made me wonder if these Commemorative Lafayette flasks were somehow distributed or sold during this time. Guess I should research it more, so I'm not just taking guesses here. Attachment (1) _____________________________ Bram Get busy diggin, or get busy dyin' http://www.GreatBayCatering.com (in reply to downeastdigger) Post #: 47

RE: How Good Are You At ID'ing Shards? - 10/28/2006 4:39:26 PM    CazDigger   Posts: 77 Joined: 6/26/2005 From: Central NY State Status: offline Hey swizzle, 1/2 pint Corn/Urn flasks (GIII-11), pint Success To The RR (GV-5), and pint and quart Lafeyette/Masonic flasks (GI-88,89) were all made at the MT Vernon (Vernon NY) 1810-1844 and Mt Pleasant 1844-1869? (near Saratoga). Mt Pleasant made many, many Saratoga type mineral water bottles, inks/utilities (often marked with a dimple in the base), medicines, etc. as well as many other bottles and glassware. The glass  is usually olive/amber or olive although they made aqua, forest/emerald green bottles as well. There is a guy named Rich Strunk who has dug there extensively over the years, although the past couple he has been too busy to dig. He has been documenting his finds to keep an inventory of what they made there. Mark Yates (in reply to swizzle) Post #: 48

RE: How Good Are You At ID'ing Shards? - 10/28/2006 5:07:46 PM    earlyglass   Posts: 353 Joined: 12/21/2004 Status: offline Cool stuff Bram and Swizzle! Great info as well Mark. Yes, the NY glasshouses operated within the same timeframes as the operations in Keene and Stoddard NH, and in many instances you cannot tell the difference. Shards like these are the only real documentation to inform collectors. Here are a few shards that I picked out that were dug at Stoddard. I have much better stuff, but here are a few. You can see the Hutchins & Mason from Keene, NH, as well as a piece of the small GW Stone (my shard broke in my truck). I also have some Stoddard eagles, freeblown wares, etc. Mike Attachment (1) (in reply to swizzle) Post #: 49

RE: How Good Are You At ID'ing Shards? - 10/28/2006 5:12:13 PM    earlyglass   Posts: 353 Joined: 12/21/2004 Status: offline Here is a shard "at work"... I was thinking about purchasing this GREAT Stoddard milk bowl, and was a little unsure, as I often am with freeblown glass. Well, I had picked up this shard of a bowl from the New Granite Glassworks site in Mill Village, Stoddard, NH. It matches identically to the rim of the perfect bowl. That was enough for me! These shards really come in handy! Mike Attachment (1) (in reply to earlyglass) Post #: 50

RE: How Good Are You At ID'ing Shards? - 10/29/2006 12:18:02 AM    capsoda Posts: 7865 Joined: 11/15/2005 From: Seminole,Alabama, USA Status: offline Thats great Mike and a shure fire way to ID something. _____________________________ Warren Diggin down in Dixie, USA Work is for people who don't dig bottles President, Panhandle Cruisers http://www.panhandlecruisers.org/ (in reply to earlyglass) Post #: 51

RE: How Good Are You At ID'ing Shards? - 10/29/2006 11:59:55 AM    swizzle   Posts: 1325 Joined: 3/2/2005 From: Upstate NY Status: offline Wow, is about all I can say. How long did it take you to Id my flask shards? I am thourally impressed. I know these shards aren't of any great value money wise. I am wondering however how important these shards really are historically? The glasshouse I was digging at isn't in Mt. Pleasant. I have other shards that I'm curious about as well. I just didn't want to start a long boring thread on busted glass. I can see though that there must be some interest since we are on the 3rd page and still growing. If these pieces are important historically in any way then I would gladly donate them to any scientific study or museum that might be interested in them free of charge. If they are just cool to look at then I'll hold on to them for future reference. I would also be glad to go back up and collect more pieces if neccessary. Swizzle (in reply to capsoda) Post #: 52

RE: How Good Are You At ID'ing Shards? - 10/29/2006 1:19:36 PM    swizzle   Posts: 1325 Joined: 3/2/2005 From: Upstate NY Status: offline Here's a couple more pics of an odd piece with a rust stain. Swizzle Attachment (1) (in reply to swizzle) Post #: 53

RE: How Good Are You At ID'ing Shards? - 10/29/2006 1:20:35 PM    swizzle   Posts: 1325 Joined: 3/2/2005 From: Upstate NY Status: offline another view. Swizzle Attachment (1) (in reply to swizzle) Post #: 54

RE: How Good Are You At ID'ing Shards? - 10/29/2006 1:21:28 PM    swizzle   Posts: 1325 Joined: 3/2/2005 From: Upstate NY Status: offline and down the hole. Swizzle Attachment (1) (in reply to swizzle) Post #: 55

RE: How Good Are You At ID'ing Shards? - 10/29/2006 1:22:19 PM    swizzle   Posts: 1325 Joined: 3/2/2005 From: Upstate NY Status: offline a better view of the side. Swizzle Attachment (1) (in reply to swizzle) Post #: 56

RE: How Good Are You At ID'ing Shards? - 11/6/2006 12:42:42 PM    swizzle   Posts: 1325 Joined: 3/2/2005 From: Upstate NY Status: offline bump (in reply to swizzle) Post #: 57

RE: How Good Are You At ID'ing Shards? - 11/8/2006 7:10:18 PM    earlyglass   Posts: 353 Joined: 12/21/2004 Status: offline Hey Swizzle... I could be wrong, but I think this is part of the gather that was attached to the blowpipe. The round iron residue was probably broken off from the iron blowpipe. The blowpipes were sometimes used as pontil rods as well. I have seen some of these pieces at glasshouses in NH too. Have you found any punty (pontil) rods yet?  Mike (in reply to swizzle) Post #: 58

RE: How Good Are You At ID'ing Shards? - 11/8/2006 7:38:32 PM    swizzle   Posts: 1325 Joined: 3/2/2005 From: Upstate NY Status: offline Interesting. I'm not sure if I've dug any pontil rods yet. I have a few pics of a twisted aqua colored piece of glass that I thought might be a pontil rod but I'm not sure. It'd make a nice drop for the center of a wind chime. So how do I find out for sure what that piece is? Is there a place that I could send it to for possitive ID? Thanx again. Swizzle (in reply to earlyglass) Post #: 59

RE: How Good Are You At ID'ing Shards? - 11/8/2006 8:06:14 PM    earlyglass   Posts: 353 Joined: 12/21/2004 Status: offline Your twisted aqua piece is probably a piece of a cane. Aqua was an unusual color for the glasshouse that you are digging. The pontil rods are iron, and usually rounded at the end. They would have a small amout of molten glass at the end of the rod which was adhered to the base of the bottle. This would allow for the blowpipe to be snapped from the top and a lip to be applied. Once cooled, the pontil rod could be snapped off. About your piece there, just ask around. I know a little about the glassblowing process, but I am sure others could enlighten us. Mike (in reply to swizzle) Post #: 60

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