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RE: How Good Are You At ID'ing Shards? - 12/17/2006 9:10:47 PM    cobaltbot Posts: 3877 Joined: 4/7/2006 From: Delta, PA Status: offline Didn’t find much today except two PA license plates in great shape from 1958.  It was a great day to be out anyway especially for December.  In the afternoon I went out to check the land to see what has been going on after three weeks of deer season.  I have a place with a celler hole way back in our woods and I’ve found some shards on the hillside near there but haven’t found the dump if there is one.  Some of the stuff is old like some gray and cobalt crock pieces but also newer stuff like Durkees.  I found part of a hutch once but the only whole bottle I’ve found there was a Davis OK baking soda of course.  Today I scratched around there in another attempt to find something and pulled up this, what I’m assuming is part of a General Taylor aqua flask.  I would love to find a whole one of these, especially on my own property.   Attachment (1) _____________________________ My tombstone will read: He went out for a walk and never came back.... (in reply to earlyglass) Post #: 61

RE: How Good Are You At ID'ing Shards? - 12/29/2006 8:19:02 PM    Mountain Man   Posts: 8 Joined: 12/29/2006 From: Mohawk Valley NY Status: offline Hi Swizzle, This is a Boulle' (not sure of spelling) that is the remnants of the gather of glass on the pontil rod that the bottle is blown from.  The red staining is iron oxide that comes off the tongs used to manipulate the glass.  The glass at Mt pleasant cooled off very quickly as it was worked thus became abrasive to the iron.  This staining is very evident on Mt Pleasant items and according to Norm Heckler is is also seen on some of the Connecticut glass. Mtn Man (in reply to swizzle) Post #: 62

RE: How Good Are You At ID'ing Shards? - 12/29/2006 8:42:17 PM    Mountain Man   Posts: 8 Joined: 12/29/2006 From: Mohawk Valley NY Status: offline Hi Again, I have a huge collection of organized shards from Mt Pleasant and am happy to discuss or id what you have found. Most of the site has been dug but there is still some areas that need checking.  A site visit is possible as I am in the Mohawk Valley.  They did make amber, aqua, lime green and pucy amber colored glass, but the vast majority was olive green.  The works dates from 1847-1866.   Mtn Man (in reply to swizzle) Post #: 63

RE: How Good Are You At ID'ing Shards? - 4/26/2007 4:27:40 PM    graniteglass   Posts: 12 Joined: 4/26/2007 Status: offline A few nice relics from the Granite Glass Co. & New Granite Glass Works sites in Stoddard, NH. Larger disk about 3-1/2 inches diameter, 1/2 inch thick, large U.S. ONE CENT impression. I excavated this piece in 1987 about eight inches deep just a few feet in front of the Granite Glass Co. factory foundation which was most likely the threshold and this piece the glass works prosperity token put there by the superintendent or owner upon inception from the first melt as was the practice of many craftsman of the period in many trades especially with glass making. Truly a remarkable piece of Stoddard glass making history and one that has a long story for later reading. Next up a COGNAC seal embossed "OTARD DUPUY & Co. COGNAC" with embossed grape vines. Nicely made, completely intact and about perfect condition save for some superficial high point wear from where it was located in the stream bed just behind the New Granite Glass Works factory site by a fellow Stoddard enthusiast from whom I acquired the piece. This seal was impressed on the marver but for some reason never applied to a bottle. Next up a "slug" of glass likely intended to be a seal but never impressed, unearthed with the aforementioned large cent disk during my 1987 dig. Lastly, a nice little glass drop with delicate loop found under some bricks of all places near the glass factory foundation. Enjoy ! Attachment (1) (in reply to swizzle) Post #: 64

RE: How Good Are You At ID'ing Shards? - 4/26/2007 4:34:43 PM    graniteglass   Posts: 12 Joined: 4/26/2007 Status: offline Additional pic of the Granite Glass Co. Large Cent prosperity token that I excavated in 1987. Attachment (1) (in reply to cobaltbot) Post #: 65

RE: How Good Are You At ID'ing Shards? - 11/21/2009 3:41:05 PM    wolffbp   Posts: 250 Joined: 7/28/2009 From: Central NY Status: offline Swizzle, please contact me with regards to this thread.  thx (in reply to swizzle) Post #: 66

RE: How Good Are You At ID'ing Shards? - 11/30/2009 10:15:35 PM    willong   Posts: 120 Joined: 4/22/2009 From: Port Angeles, WA Status: offline Thanks for the post, graniteglass. I'd never seen a "prosperity token" before. Are you saying that the practice was to deliberately bury the piece under the threshold? Were they typically placed in just one location? Looks like it would make a dandy paperweight. willong (in reply to graniteglass) Post #: 67

RE: How Good Are You At ID'ing Shards? - 1/13/2010 1:02:55 PM    CazDigger Posts: 584 Joined: 6/26/2005 From: Central NY State Status: offline I was just reading this thread again yesterday and thought "I know I have seen this before" I went through my shard boxes and came up with this one, it is exactly the same seal. I always assumed it was French, not Stoddard. My pieces were dug in a 1830-1850 privy about 8 yrs ago in Upstate NY. (in reply to graniteglass) Post #: 68

RE: How Good Are You At ID'ing Shards? - 1/13/2010 1:11:04 PM    CazDigger Posts: 584 Joined: 6/26/2005 From: Central NY State Status: offline The seal is marked OTARD DUPUY & CO  COGNAC with a grapevine & bunch of grapes. I know, I need to get a life! (in reply to CazDigger) Post #: 69

RE: How Good Are You At ID'ing Shards? - 1/13/2010 1:31:09 PM    earlyglass   Posts: 1067 Joined: 12/21/2004 Status: offline That is it Mark. I have one of these seals as well, but just the seal... it was found in Mill Village at Stoddard. I have seen roughly a half dozen of these. Also to note, that these early looking applied string lip tops were also done at Mill Village. I only know of 2 whole bottles with the seal. Mike  (in reply to CazDigger) Post #: 70

RE: How Good Are You At ID'ing Shards? - 1/13/2010 8:12:49 PM    saratogadriver   Posts: 621 Joined: 9/10/2009 Status: offline I've never been able to afford one for Mom's VT bottle collection. What a cryer. The best we've done are the two aqua renovators. Very crude but NOT Stoddard amber... Jim G quote: ORIGINAL: downeastdigger This is from a couple of years ago,  I dug all these shards and glued them all back together. It is almost,  a Smith's Green Mountain Renovator from Vt,  pontilled. (in reply to downeastdigger) Post #: 71

RE: How Good Are You At ID'ing Shards? - 1/14/2010 12:31:21 AM    bottlechaser62   Posts: 268 Joined: 12/29/2006 From: Louisville, Ky Status: online Downeastdigger- great pic of some very crude bottles..............whats that ink to the left of the cannon? Is it an early butlers? Also- did you dig that small Carters cathedral - 4th from the left on shelf? thanks for sharing!  _____________________________ Collecting Inks and Bitters (in reply to downeastdigger) Post #: 72

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