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1800 WASHINGTON FLASK - 11/1/2006 9:53:33 PM    PATTY   Posts: 18 Joined: 11/1/2006 Status: offline  HI, I JUST EMAILED SOMEONE WHO TOLD ME MY  AMETHYST BOTTLE WAS REPRODUCTION. MAYBE SOMEONE HERE WITH  KNOWLEDGE CAN TELL ME IF ITS REALLY A WASHINGTON  EAGLE 18900-1890 FLASK , I ASSUME IT TO BE THE TRUTH . I HAVE BEEN RACKING MY BRAIN AND TIME WITH THIS AND BEFORE I SELL IT , I NEED TO KNOW THE VALUE. Attachment (1) Post #: 1

RE: 1800 WASHINGTON FLASK - 11/1/2006 9:58:12 PM    PATTY   Posts: 18 Joined: 11/1/2006 Status: offline HERE IS THE ANOTHER PHOTO (in reply to PATTY) Post #: 2

RE: 1800 WASHINGTON FLASK - 11/1/2006 10:05:35 PM    PATTY   Posts: 18 Joined: 11/1/2006 Status: offline I AM TRYING TO GET THE PHOTO UP OF THE GEORGE WASHINGTON BUT ITS TO BIG SO HAVE TO MAKE IT SMALLER. I F ANYONE HAS ANY SUGGESTIONS OR COMMENTS.   Attachment (1) (in reply to PATTY) Post #: 3

RE: 1800 WASHINGTON FLASK - 11/1/2006 10:13:50 PM    baltbottles   Posts: 933 Joined: 11/25/2002 From: Baltimore Maryland Status: offline Hi Patty, Your flask is a reproduction I'm not sure of age but probably 1970s. Chris _____________________________ Please visit my website at : www.geocities.com/baltbottles/index.html (in reply to PATTY) Post #: 4

RE: 1800 WASHINGTON FLASK - 11/1/2006 10:16:36 PM    PATTY   Posts: 18 Joined: 11/1/2006 Status: offline HOW AR E YOU SURE ? IT HAS A NUMBER ONE AT THE BOTTOM? (in reply to baltbottles) Post #: 5

RE: 1800 WASHINGTON FLASK - 11/1/2006 11:09:06 PM    capsoda Posts: 7933 Joined: 11/15/2005 From: Seminole,Alabama, USA Status: online Hey Patty, I'm afraid that Chris is right. You see them on ebay quite often. _____________________________ Warren Diggin down in Dixie, USA Work is for people who don't dig bottles President, Panhandle Cruisers http://www.panhandlecruisers.org/ (in reply to PATTY) Post #: 6

RE: 1800 WASHINGTON FLASK - 11/1/2006 11:19:18 PM    PATTY   Posts: 18 Joined: 11/1/2006 Status: offline well that is fine , Thanks for your input, I find it hard to believe since the markings and all and since Kovels says otherwise and the sight chris linked me to , didnt show my bottle ,that sight showed me The same info that gave me the idea that my bottle was rare.  So I  find that funny , He thought it wasnt! It is kinda hard to believe, 1 st my eagle doesnt have grapes, 2nd  I havent yet  seen it anything on ebay like that and the ones I have seen  like mine looked like the 1800 ones. How You can  base what a picture is  without  seeing it ,  I dont get, but more power to you. I guess the Kovels dont have nothing on you. Everyone has a right to an opinion though. (in reply to capsoda) Post #: 7

RE: 1800 WASHINGTON FLASK - 11/1/2006 11:54:54 PM    DiggerBryan   Posts: 809 Joined: 12/3/2004 From: Ohio Status: offline Wow, I'm not sure if that is an insult or a compliment. Good luck selling your repo. _____________________________ Life is easy with your eyes closed. (in reply to PATTY) Post #: 8

RE: 1800 WASHINGTON FLASK - 11/2/2006 12:07:53 AM    capsoda Posts: 7933 Joined: 11/15/2005 From: Seminole,Alabama, USA Status: online 1st, You asked. 2nd I saw the pictures you put up. 3rd the bottle in the pictures you put up, where yours or not is a reproduction of a famous flask. They were made for years but mostly in the 1970s. 4th i don't use kovel's because it is a guide and I find it inaccurate. 5th you asked. Sorry but it is a repop. _____________________________ Warren Diggin down in Dixie, USA Work is for people who don't dig bottles President, Panhandle Cruisers http://www.panhandlecruisers.org/ (in reply to DiggerBryan) Post #: 9

RE: 1800 WASHINGTON FLASK - 11/2/2006 12:16:44 AM    texasdigger Posts: 263 Joined: 1/6/2006 From: Roanoke Texas Status: offline There is more bottle knowledge on this website than any source I have ever used.  The people that have given their oppinions on your bottle know what they are talikng about.  Futher more they are only trying to answer your question.  Sorry if you don't like their conclusions.  It is a repro, and good luck selling it! (in reply to capsoda) Post #: 10

RE: 1800 WASHINGTON FLASK - 11/2/2006 12:37:49 AM    PATTY   Posts: 18 Joined: 11/1/2006 Status: offline OK FOR ALL OF YOU  why are you people so rude? ARe you above others? I wasnt insulting you , and for your informatiion my "so called repo isnt a repo " I found out from someone else it is from the 1800 . So I  guess you   must feel silly now.  The reason why that is becuase of the bottom of the flasks markings. So my  so called "repo"  maybe you should check your  so called facts . How long have you done this? http://www.bottlebooks.com/reproduc.htm that site I went on and my bottle did not fit that qualifivcation. FOR THE 3rD TIME>   your site said alot as well it contrradicts itself IT NEVER MENTIONS MY FLASK ANYWHERE   So you know It fits this  Like I was told by your site your retible site that is telling  ME  MY BOTTLE IS A REAL BOTTLE , TAKE A  LOOK CLICK HER SMART STUFF  , AND I AM NOT GOING TO USE THIS SITE EVER AGAIN BECAUSE THIS IS HARRASSMENT! YOU PEOPLE  are rude  you tell people to go to a site and then argue with them about it , when that is where my flask is !  http://www.fohbc.com/PDF_Files/Washington-Taylor_MRoberts.pdf  why dont you look at these pictues and you will see the flask there .  (in reply to DiggerBryan) Post #: 11

RE: 1800 WASHINGTON FLASK - 11/2/2006 12:49:25 AM    cc6pack   Posts: 543 Joined: 7/12/2003 From: Mableton, Ga. Status: offline Patty, Ask the guy how much he will give you for your flask, that shoyl put it all to bed. If you don't like it here quit hanging around. nuf said. (in reply to PATTY) Post #: 12

RE: 1800 WASHINGTON FLASK - 11/2/2006 1:30:57 AM    capsoda Posts: 7933 Joined: 11/15/2005 From: Seminole,Alabama, USA Status: online Don't you just love it when someone asks you for an opinion and then gets bent out of shape when you tell them that their million dollar treasure that they got for a steal is only worth a few bucks. Then it turns out to be everyone on the forum that is wrong and at fault. Well EXCUSE ME!!! GEEEEEEEEEEZZZZZZZZZ!!!!!!!! < Message edited by capsoda -- 11/2/2006 1:32:02 AM > _____________________________ Warren Diggin down in Dixie, USA Work is for people who don't dig bottles President, Panhandle Cruisers http://www.panhandlecruisers.org/ (in reply to cc6pack) Post #: 13

RE: 1800 WASHINGTON FLASK - 11/2/2006 4:45:05 AM    stonemason   Posts: 68 Joined: 9/28/2004 Status: offline wow And life goes on. (in reply to capsoda) Post #: 14

RE: 1800 WASHINGTON FLASK - 11/2/2006 5:40:30 AM    baltbottles   Posts: 933 Joined: 11/25/2002 From: Baltimore Maryland Status: offline HI Patty, I would like to state that I was never rude to you I just stated my opinion.  Also the site that is linked to is in my signature it appears on all my posts. Its simply to get people to visit my personal website so they can see some interesting Baltimore made bottles and read about my privy diggings. It has nothing to do with the post I made in regards to your flask question. Also I don't know what info you read on my website that made you think your bottle was rare? Considering I have nothing on there about dating bottles or reproductions or flasks in general. I'd like to quote you on something you said " HOW ARE YOU SURE ? IT HAS A NUMBER ONE AT THE BOTTOM?"  The fact that it has a number one on the bottom is part of the give away that its not an 1800s flask. Most early historical flasks are pontiled and they rarely mark the base of a pontiled bottle because the pontil mark would obscure the mold numbers. Your flask is modeled after flasks made in the 1820s-1830s copying early Pittsburgh beaded edge flasks.  There was never a General Washington Pittsburgh beaded edge flask made. Another factor is that in one of your pictures you can see a line that runs horizontally around the neck below the lip. This is a feature of a machine made bottle. So that dates the bottle after 1906 plus or minus a couple years simply because that’s about the time the first automatic bottle making machines were invented that would leave this kind of mold seam. Now also from looking at your picture the form of the flask is wrong for a beaded edge flask. Original beaded edge flasks are more ovoid in shape.  It is wise of you not to simply just take one persons opinion as correct or as false. You should gather many opinions on your bottle. However I would like to state that I have been a collector and dealer in high Quality antique bottles and flasks for over a decade. And have owned and sold several hundred thousand dollars worth of rare bottles. And I'm sure anyone in the bottle collecting hobby that knows me will tell you that I am an expert when it comes to good early bottles. Also if you don't wish to believe me. Here is the link to Glassworks Auction they are an auction company completely devoted to selling quality antique bottles and flasks. http://www.glswrk-auction.com/ the owner of the company is Jim Hagenbuch He has been involved in the antique bottle hobby for over 40 years and has ran his auction for almost 20 years and is one of the most respected names in the hobby. His email address is glswrk@enter.net contact him and ask for his opinion on your flask. If its real I'm sure he would love to sell it in his auction as it would be worth many thousands of dollars. If your not happy with his response I can put you in contact with plenty of others that can appraise your flask. Also if that’s not enough for you your more then welcome to bring the flask to the Baltimore bottle show in the spring where a team of experts will be on hand to offer free appraisals of antique bottles. < Message edited by baltbottles -- 11/2/2006 5:51:27 AM > _____________________________ Please visit my website at : www.geocities.com/baltbottles/index.html (in reply to stonemason) Post #: 15

RE: 1800 WASHINGTON FLASK - 11/2/2006 5:50:55 AM    baltbottles   Posts: 933 Joined: 11/25/2002 From: Baltimore Maryland Status: offline Hey Capsoda, This reminds me of a funny thing that happened a couple years ago at the Baltimore show I was doing the appraisal table and a guy walked up with a blue plastic shopping bag and about tossed it on the table I herd a bottle bounce off the table. He then pulled out the first bottle which he had carefully wrapped up in a large cloth and he showed it to me it was a small machine made McCormick and Co Baltimore extract type bottle with a partial label that you couldn't read. He was pretty disturbed that I told him it was only worth a couple dollars at best. Then he pulled out the other bottle this one wasn't protected by anything but the bag and was the one that bounced off the table when he put down his bag. Well It was a Mint condition GI-119 Columbia-Eagle flask I couldn't believe my eyes He thought it was a worthless fake and couldn't believe that I appraised it for $10,000 which he latter sold it for. I still think it was funny because he thought the worthless bottle was a great treasure and the great treasure was worthless. This time it’s just the complete opposite. Chris < Message edited by baltbottles -- 11/2/2006 5:57:15 AM > _____________________________ Please visit my website at : www.geocities.com/baltbottles/index.html (in reply to baltbottles) Post #: 16

RE: 1800 WASHINGTON FLASK - 11/2/2006 7:13:46 AM    cobaltbot Posts: 1693 Joined: 4/7/2006 From: Delta, PA Status: offline That's theres funny, and rats I've got tons of those McCormick flasks Very tactfull and polite Chris, that should begin to give that lady the idea she has the wrong impression about this group. _____________________________ My tombstone will read: He went out for a walk and never came back.... (in reply to baltbottles) Post #: 17

RE: 1800 WASHINGTON FLASK - 11/2/2006 8:05:50 AM    cowseatmaize Posts: 2135 Joined: 12/2/2004 From: Metro West, MA Status: offline Lestoil, Ezra Brooks and others put that stuff out. Any one of them could have come out in 4 or more different colors. Chris is right about the seam around the neck. It's 1960's or 70's. This looks like yours in green http://cgi.ebay.com/Green-Washington-Eagle-Flask-replica_W0QQitemZ190046032013QQihZ009QQcategoryZ13912QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem _____________________________ My 10¢ worth (inflation) Eric If you love what your doing it might be illegal, so watch your back. (in reply to cobaltbot) Post #: 18

RE: 1800 WASHINGTON FLASK - 11/2/2006 8:21:46 AM    PATTY   Posts: 18 Joined: 11/1/2006 Status: offline  1st to the person who thinks my botle is green its not , I am not color blind , and the picture isnt to clear to begin with This is a reply to Baltimore , I appreciate your forth coming and honesty, I didn't like the fact that these gentlemen (not really) were posting The  statements   My bottle doesn't have details like these 70's ones that these guys are saying , and its an insult that they are saying that. I am not trying to make millions of dollars. I have 2 other bottles that are reproductions, Nu line  ones. Amber glass . .  This particular one , I thought because of the fact that it had the discoloration and no markings but a single  1 , was made it either  late 1800 or early 1900 . I did my studying too. I also read that amethyst was a rare color. A picture can be hard to tell a true value. I think that those gentlemen are rude in putting down Kovels.   Did you find that appropriate? I hope this man you are putting me in contact with isn't that way. I will contact him , with the email you sent and better pictures , I think that could also be a problem The clearer the pictures , The better, I really would like to have a better understanding of this bottle and know what the deal is with it , so if in the future ,   , I have knowledge. but if this is how  people are ,  I will stick with collecting  books!   Also for the post about the getting the wrong impression , I am sure that are always some  people like that on sites I don't judge everyone that way . baltimore proved them wrong.  Thanks for your help!  Patricia (in reply to cowseatmaize) Post #: 19

RE: 1800 WASHINGTON FLASK - 11/2/2006 8:33:02 AM    cowseatmaize Posts: 2135 Joined: 12/2/2004 From: Metro West, MA Status: offline I said it looks like yours in green. That was after stating that companies put these types of ware out in different colors. If you don't want help, stop asking! _____________________________ My 10¢ worth (inflation) Eric If you love what your doing it might be illegal, so watch your back. (in reply to PATTY) Post #: 20

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