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RE: 1800 WASHINGTON FLASK - 11/2/2006 8:59:50 AM   
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HELP AND BEING RUDE ARE 2 DIFFERENT THINGS. YOU  SAID IT LOOKED GREEN, I SAID IT WASNT HOW IS THAT ASKING FOR YOUR HELP?  WARE AND TEAR FROM PURPLE TO GREEN ? THAT IS KINDA RAPID COLOR CHANGE , AND I STATED TO YOU THE PICTURE WASNT TO CLEAR.  WHY ARE YOU ALL SO NEGATIVE? THAT IS WHAT I DONT GET? DID I TRY TO SELL YOU SOMETHING ? DID I SAY IT WAS A MILLION DOLLARS? NO, THE REASON I JOINED WAS BECAUSE  2  PEOPLE , WHO HAVE SAW THIS SAID IT WAS AUTHETIC , YOUR SITE  CAME UP WHEN I WAS RESEARCHING AND I  WAS TRYING TO GET ANOTHER OPIONION. IS THAT SO WRONG? IS THAT A CRIME? SHOULD YOU SELL SOMETHING TO SOMEONE WITH THE IDEA THAT IT IS A TRUE AUTHETICATED ITEM OR REPO? I WAS TRYING TO BE A HONEST PERSON  WITH MY CUSTOMERS, AND THIS IS HOW I GET TREATED BY SOME OF THE PEOPLE IN HERE. I WASNT TRYING TO BE RUDE TO ANYONE . THE ONLY PERSON SO FAR OF HELP WAS BALTIMORE.

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RE: 1800 WASHINGTON FLASK - 11/2/2006 9:30:58 AM   
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This forum is what it is, you can accept what you read here or not. Its a pretty good deal considering its free. There is as much knowledge about bottles here as you will find anywhere.
With all due respect, Kovel's bottle book, is the "National Enquirer" of bottle books, take what you see in it with a grain of salt. 
You seem to have already made up your mind before you came here so I wouldnt waste my time trying to change it.
Just my opinion.

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RE: 1800 WASHINGTON FLASK - 11/2/2006 9:45:17 AM   
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Hey Chris, I have seen alot of this kind of thing. Because they saw a fake on theirs is fake or because they saw a real one theirs is real. There seem to be alot of ebayers who do well at selling but when they try to break into bottles they blow it. They buy fakes, repos or cheap bottles believing them to be valuable and when you inform them they are not your the crack pot. Not very honest folks in my book or they wouldn't persist so. I guess it is the dollar signs.

It is sad to find that after 30 years in bottles I know nothing.

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RE: 1800 WASHINGTON FLASK - 11/2/2006 9:52:26 AM   
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THAT IS AUSEFUL SITE, AND THAT IS  AVERY HELPFUL TIP, THANK YOU,  I APRCIATE THAT,  I MEAN THAT IS THE INPUT I EXCPECTED FROM THE GET GO.  I DIDNT THINK KOVELS WAS AUTHETIC . I THOUGHT THEY WERE USEFUL . SO WHAT ABOUT THERE BOOKS AND VALUES? ARE THEY NOT ACCURATE ON ANYTHING THEN? JUST A QUESTION? I MEAN BECAUSE  ALOT OF ANTIQUE PEOPLE SWARE  BY THEM, SO I THOUGHT THAT THEY WERE THE BEST. I DIDNT KNOW.  

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RE: 1800 WASHINGTON FLASK - 11/2/2006 9:57:07 AM   
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  Don't you just love people who can't read. I didn't see where anyone said "it looked green"---He said one that looks like yours in green--never said YOURS was green.............I'm no expert but this is hilarious!!!

ps  as far as being rude....when you capitalize all your emails, its the same as yelling at someone. Guess thats something else she wasn't aware of. Oops, that will be another arguement.......sorry guys.

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RE: 1800 WASHINGTON FLASK - 11/2/2006 10:02:32 AM   
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I KNOW WHAT YOU SAID , AND I KNOW WHAT IT MEANS  I CAN READ SMARTY
I AM YELLING AT YOU. OOPS  I DONT THINK SO..... I  TOLD YOU I AM NOT A FOOL....
GROW UP. DON'T YOU HAVE A REAL JOB INSTEAD OF POSTING ON A WEB PAGE ALL DAY?  OR ARE YOU A SELF MADE MILLIONARE FROM YOUR BOTTLE COLLECTION ?

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RE: 1800 WASHINGTON FLASK - 11/2/2006 10:19:47 AM   
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Millionare? Me?  Not yet, working on it. Don't have a "real" job--worked at a prison for 27 years but just sitting around posting on web pages these days. How about yourself?  Seems like you like talking and putting words in peoples mouths. Ask for advice and misinterpret it as being rude and have already made up their mind that no one knows what they are talking about. I just love a good arguement. Too bad this one is so pathetic.....

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RE: 1800 WASHINGTON FLASK - 11/2/2006 10:43:42 AM   
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OH, thats why you are so rough around the edges, I apologize.to you,  because I don't want to argue with anyone. I  was the one Insulted  by   Warrren and Chris. They  jumped to a concluction and  said  things about my flask . I couldnt post a good photo because of the size. On this site it kept on saying error for the photo. Then you proceeeded to say it looked green , I didnt take offense to you , I said it wasnt green. Now I am being attacked by 3 men. I am not trying to fight with  anyone and,  if you want to you can go find someone else to pick an arguement with., I am above that  . I was trying like I said to get  another opionion to make sure that this was a authetic bottle.   Now When a person is being honest , they get attacked. I dont get that.   

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RE: 1800 WASHINGTON FLASK - 11/2/2006 11:08:16 AM   
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Drama.  Lesson learned.  We will believe whatever we want too.  Sometimes I have recieved information/thoughts/responces, that I didnt agree with.......hell there have been 2 authors of bottle books here battling about what a bottle was or wasn't.  But in the end, everyone enjoys the site, each others company, and yes thier thoughts.  As for who is right/wrong, etc, no one here cares.  We all enjoy talking about bottles, digging em, etc.  The bottle knowledge and experience available here is beyond comparison Enough.  Understood.  Lets move on.           Ben

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RE: 1800 WASHINGTON FLASK - 11/2/2006 11:30:12 AM   
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 Capsoda is one of the nicest people I have ever met on here.  Never have I seen anyone ruffel his feathers quite like you did.  Congrats on winning the antique-bottles.net jerk of the year award Patty.  If you will look in the front chapters of your precious Kovel's it will have a section on how bottles are made.  If you compare your repro to the book explantion of how OLD bottles are made you will see that your does not match.  I feel sorry for Kovel's though b/c I am sure they will be getting emails from you saying that their book is wrong, and that  you have the flask to prove it!!  I have never seen anybody on here make a thread this long this quick. Congrats on ticking off a good percentage of the website!!!  I am sure everyone will just jump to help you if you ever need it again!!!
Brad

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RE: 1800 WASHINGTON FLASK - 11/2/2006 11:39:10 AM   
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Dont worry BRAD I am sure KOVELS would apricate  that I defended them.
And if people are offended and dont want to to talk or reply to me  becuase of an A AND B CONVERSATION>   I DONT REALLY  CARE  what YOU THINK PERSONALLY  !
If you  can read   ,I APOLOGIZED TO THE GENTLEMEN < SO why are you interjecting and starting with me? MIND YOUR BUSINESS,  NOONE ASKED YOUR OPINION ANYWAY!!

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RE: 1800 WASHINGTON FLASK - 11/2/2006 11:42:17 AM   
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quote:

THAT IS AUSEFUL SITE, AND THAT IS AVERY HELPFUL TIP, THANK YOU, I APRCIATE THAT, I MEAN THAT IS THE INPUT I EXCPECTED FROM THE GET GO. I DIDNT THINK KOVELS WAS AUTHETIC . I THOUGHT THEY WERE USEFUL . SO WHAT ABOUT THERE BOOKS AND VALUES? ARE THEY NOT ACCURATE ON ANYTHING THEN? JUST A QUESTION? I MEAN BECAUSE ALOT OF ANTIQUE PEOPLE SWARE BY THEM, SO I THOUGHT THAT THEY WERE THE BEST. I DIDNT KNOW.


If you want to learn about early flasks I would recommend AMERICAN BOTTLES and FLASKS and thier Ancestry by Helen McKearin. It is considered the 'Bible' for flasks. A copy can be expensive to buy so I recommend check it out at a library. Any decent size library should have it.
Kovel's guide is generally Ok but it suffers from the problem of trying to cover too much in a single guide and has little detail.
Best of luck.

< Message edited by GuntherHess -- 11/2/2006 11:44:34 AM >


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RE: 1800 WASHINGTON FLASK - 11/2/2006 11:47:14 AM   
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hi ben, i admire your ability to put things into perspective and into words. there are others that can express then selves very well.  a gift i never had, but i'm learning that also from this forum.  hope you get a good digging day soon. take care,  rhona

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RE: 1800 WASHINGTON FLASK - 11/2/2006 11:52:05 AM   
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Rhona:

Great to see ya again.  I'm still coaching soccer here and we made the states for the first time in over 10 years.  So the shovel will be full of dirt as soon as next week.  I'm gonna finish up the dump I started this year...should be finished by xmas.  Once again I hope all is well Rhona and lets chat sometime about your dump if ya want.  I got a few ideas.                      Ben

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RE: 1800 WASHINGTON FLASK - 11/2/2006 11:52:17 AM   
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You asked for all of our oppinions when you posted this thread.  So it is a A-B and anyone else in the world with an internet connection conversation.  I am sure Kovels will do just fine without your help defending them.  Maybe I can fix all of this by making a fair market offer for your flask.  $5.00 sound good?    Listen to Matt he has authored price guides on bottles, and he is one of many people here who know bottles like you know books.  Have a great day Patty, and it is nice to have such a plesant new member to our forum!!!

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RE: 1800 WASHINGTON FLASK - 11/2/2006 12:01:19 PM   
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thank you very muck, according to Brad I was Black Listed   Well the top of the Bottle is not going to the top the line , and the lip is and coloring amethsyt . may I ask you a question? Is this site ok?
http://www.blm.gov/historic_bottles/liquor.htm#Decorative%20Flasks 

I was wondering , because from that site , it seem to be very informative as well .It seems to give a this there
Purple/Amethyst
Purple and amethyst are uncommon colors in bottles but show up with enough frequency to warrant mention.  This group of purple to reddish colors were usually a result of glass that was colorized with nickel or manganese oxides (Tooley 1953).  As noted in the colorless glass description above, small amounts of manganese dioxide was used as a decolorizer to offset the iron impurities present in virtually all sands. This colorless glass will variably turn amethyst upon long term exposure to sunlight.  With larger concentrations of these substances in the glass batch amethyst to purple glass is purposefully created (Jones & Sullivan 1989).
Because of this color's variability (and popularity with collectors) it is not surprising that there are numerous names for subtle differences in this color theme.  They include descriptive words based on real reddish substances like claret, burgundy, red wine, or if tending towards amber, puce which according to Webster's Unabridged Dictionary (1996) is a "dark purplish brown to dark red."  The difference between purple and amethyst is subtle, though amethyst is often a "pinker" color than purple. 
Diagnostic Utility: These true purple/reddish/amethyst colors (not sun colored amethyst) in bottles are primarily found in the era between the 1840s and early 1880s; they are rarely noted in bottles that date before or after that date range (empirical observations).
The deep reddish amethyst colored bottle above is a Mrs. S. A. Allen's World's Hair Restorer (New York) which dates from the 1870s.  Hair treatment bottles are one of the few classes of bottles in which the purple/amethyst colors are fairly commonly found.  Other classes of bottles where these colors occur with some frequency (though still not commonly) is figured or pictorial flasks, bitters (particular those which are "barrel" shaped like the bottle to the right), and some types of ink bottles.  The bottle to the right is an Old Sachem Bitters and Wigwam Tonic (New York) which likely dates 1860-1870.  It's color would be described as medium amethyst.  (This photo courtesy of Jeff Noordsy Antiques.)
  
 
 

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RE: 1800 WASHINGTON FLASK - 11/2/2006 12:21:22 PM   
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That is a great web site.

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RE: 1800 WASHINGTON FLASK - 11/2/2006 1:38:33 PM   
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Hey Warren,  Don't you love it when someone ask a question and then they insist on knowing the answer already
Sitting from the side line of this argument, I would have to say "Patty" was the rude individual. I recommend she find's another site to take her frustrations out on.... Wow she got so mad she forgot how to spell Man can we get laughs from this site or what?
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RE: 1800 WASHINGTON FLASK - 11/2/2006 3:07:26 PM   
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Patty,

If you are having trouble posting good clear pictures of your flask. Feel free to email some to me at baltimorebottles@gmail.com I will get them posted on here. Please include a good picture of the base and one of the neck and lip. If you send me Good pictures perhaps we can figure out exactly when and who produced your flask.

As for purple and amethyst colors being rare that it true for antique bottles however Amethyst is one of the most common colors that reproduction bottles have been made in also. Wouldn't it be pointless to make reproductions of common colored bottles?

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RE: 1800 WASHINGTON FLASK - 11/2/2006 5:21:35 PM   
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CHRIS,
Dont you have anything Better to do than pick on me? Is that you digging  for bottles? (Just wondering) I won't go there. As for everyone else and there rude comments against me, this is a free forum, noone is paying for it, So I have a right to my opinion like everyone else. I had to defend my self. Nobody here even knows anything about me, and you are already PREJUDGIING ME> I think this site is Bias against alot of things and people

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