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RE: Ohio Milk Bottle Question - 12/14/2006 9:15:54 AM    Higsmog   Posts: 5 Joined: 12/14/2006 Status: offline Read with great interest some of the comments about the Ohio Milk Bottle Book.  For one this book is the copyright property of the Ohio Bottle Club out of Akron Ohio, not mine to be peddling it as you put it.  Let me explain how this book came about....The Ohio Bottle Club-not me-decided it was time to split the Milk bottles off into there own edition and the prices needed updated (this I was told was last done over 20 years ago).  With the newer editions of The Ohio Bottle Club Bottle books only new entries were added- no pricing updates were done.  For over two years before 2005 the Ohio Bottle Club has requested someone come forward and update prices and design the cover for an all new book.  Well, as usual no one wanted to do this, just the same old griping, whining and complaining that it needed done.  Well, in 2005 while I was home on a five month recovery from heart surgery (bored out of my mind) I told Don Duzro that I would at least get the thing rolling for them.  One thing led to another and 13 hours of work later I had gone through the entire book of over 6,500 entries.  Never mind that the prices I know are not to everyone's liking, but they are a hell of a lot better than before, and we were on a deadline to get this done before the May 2005 Mansfield Bottle Show.  And by deadline we were down to days not weeks or months for the printing part to be done.  After the pricing the person that was to make the cover was unable to finish that job for medical reasons so I took a stab at that part of the project also.  Two weeks further into the project and over $180 of my own money later (that's $180 out of my own pocket that I donated to the Ohio Bottle Club) we had a finished book that sold over 300 copies at Mansfield thtat first year I am told.    Now for the life of me I cannot figure out why so many people want to complain and whine about pricing if they did nothing to help this project along the way (remembering that for two years the Ohio Bottle Club wanted someone to take this on and even advertised this in there monthly newsletter and got no response).  For one thing bottle collectors are not the only people that bought this book.  The milk bottle book was also offered to all the 88 County Libraries and to antique dealers throughout the State.  So do you really want antique dealers pricing milk bottles at $350 for us collectors?  I don't think so!  Believe me I have already seen it as a direct result of this book.  This book is an attempt to preserve some of the history of milk bottles in Ohio, so don't get so hung up on pricing.  This is a hobby not a life or death struggle.  I have seen so many of the older collectors die off and loose the complete knowledge that they had stored only in there heads about Ohio milks and for the most part it made me sick!  People like Leland Frazier and Russ Watkins-gone with all that knowledge, gone forever-they left nothing behind for the rest of us!  So to those of you who want to whine and complain without putting anything into the system-get a life!  If you think pricing is so important please send additions and corrections to the address on the inside of the milk bottle book to be included in hopefully the next addition.  I have volunteered to go anywhere in the State and help people with additions for this book out of there own collections and have gotten no response.  And the part about the Wiseman amber milk bottle being rare-they are-and over the years I have had no less than five of them myself:)   Furthermore the discussion about the criptic secret masonic coding in the pricing-come on!   But if say the prices backwards you can clearly hear "Paul is dead...Paul is dead...Paul is dead".Thank You Parker Higby <Reformatted and addresses removed - Admin> < Message edited by Admin -- 12/14/2006 10:52:35 AM > (in reply to carling) Post #: 21

RE: Ohio Milk Bottle Question - 12/14/2006 1:24:51 PM    Humabdos   Posts: 446 Joined: 6/13/2004 From: Greenville Texas The Blackest land whitest people Status: offline Hi Parker, I don't collect Ohio milk's but did end up with this half pint from Lucasville O. On the heel it says sealed 1-11-14 On the bottom  there's an S     7      45 I think this dairy was owned by a distant relative of mine. Is this listed in the ohio milk book? Any info would be appreciated Glen Attachment (1) (in reply to Higsmog) Post #: 22

RE: Ohio Milk Bottle Question - 12/14/2006 1:51:54 PM    Humabdos   Posts: 446 Joined: 6/13/2004 From: Greenville Texas The Blackest land whitest people Status: offline [opps < Message edited by Humabdos -- 12/14/2006 1:55:08 PM > (in reply to Humabdos) Post #: 23

RE: Ohio Milk Bottle Question - 12/14/2006 7:13:08 PM    zanes_antiques Posts: 2027 Joined: 9/3/2006 From: Steubenville, Ohio Status: offline I'll make this short and sweet. A deadline and a shortage of manpower is no reason to print an inaccurrate book. You should be ashamed of that book, deadline or no deadline. I will say this....it's great for cheating little old ladies, novice collectors, and diggers out of their treasures!!!! _____________________________ I buy, sell, barter, and beg....Zane (in reply to Humabdos) Post #: 24

RE: Ohio Milk Bottle Question - 12/14/2006 9:16:28 PM    DiggerBryan   Posts: 804 Joined: 12/3/2004 From: Ohio Status: offline Nice Zane, couldn't have said it better myself. _____________________________ Life is easy with your eyes closed. (in reply to zanes_antiques) Post #: 25

RE: Ohio Milk Bottle Question - 12/14/2006 10:34:55 PM    JGUIS   Posts: 1705 Joined: 3/18/2006 From: New Lexington, OH Status: offline oof _____________________________ A pipe gives a wise man time to think, and gives a fool something to stick in his mouth. (in reply to DiggerBryan) Post #: 26

RE: Ohio Milk Bottle Question - 12/14/2006 10:47:48 PM    craigc90 Posts: 654 Joined: 8/17/2004 From: Bloomingdale Ohio Status: online Higsmog   What was your scientific method of priceing update. Let me see I have that bottle make it $20.00 to $25.00 I dont have that bottle yet lets make it $10.00 to $15.00. That will work no one will ever figure it out. (in reply to Higsmog) Post #: 27

RE: Ohio Milk Bottle Question - 12/14/2006 10:52:44 PM    craigc90 Posts: 654 Joined: 8/17/2004 From: Bloomingdale Ohio Status: online I know that may sound a little harsh I am sure no one wanted to take the time to tackle a job like that but a little closer to reality would be nice. (in reply to craigc90) Post #: 28

RE: Ohio Milk Bottle Question - 12/15/2006 12:14:00 AM    Higsmog   Posts: 5 Joined: 12/14/2006 Status: offline Glen:   Yes this bottle is listed in the Ohio Milk bottle book-I have a 1/2 pt. and a qt. of this bottle in my own collection-Lucasville is one of the towns I collect and it's not a real common bottle. Parker (in reply to Humabdos) Post #: 29

RE: Ohio Milk Bottle Question - 12/15/2006 12:20:28 AM    Higsmog   Posts: 5 Joined: 12/14/2006 Status: offline You people are really unbelievable! Same old don't do nothing but whiney crowd-has anyone started there updated list from there part of the State to make the next edition more accurate? (in reply to craigc90) Post #: 30

RE: Ohio Milk Bottle Question - 12/15/2006 12:30:16 AM    Higsmog   Posts: 5 Joined: 12/14/2006 Status: offline Yooper-have seen a few of the Mt Vernon college and Mt Vernon Academy 1/2 pts. on eBay about six months ago-strated out selling high but after the same person put 4-5 on eBay they really went down in price. (in reply to DiggerBryan) Post #: 31

RE: Ohio Milk Bottle Question - 12/15/2006 12:34:58 AM    Higsmog   Posts: 5 Joined: 12/14/2006 Status: offline Rick:  From my understanding Tellings was an ice cream company and they went into different markets in the Ohio and Pittsburg area and joined with local milk companies to sell there ice cream. I have a mint amber in my collection from Telling-Belle Vernon Dairy Columbus, Ohio. Is the bottle you have marked in any way Cleveland or have the usual C. C. intials on it? Parker (in reply to appliedlips) Post #: 32

RE: Ohio Milk Bottle Question - 12/15/2006 12:48:02 AM    capsoda Posts: 7865 Joined: 11/15/2005 From: Seminole,Alabama, USA Status: offline Hey, There are an awful lot of Ohio bottle folks on this forum. Why don't you all gather correct and accurate info on the bottles from your areas and get together and print a book on Ohio milk bottles. You can call it, "The Big Book On Ohio Milk Bottles". Those of you who know me should know that I never joke about information compilations. If you don't beleave me ask JGUS about the info I give him and it comes from sources like big books on stuff. It would probably make you rich. < Message edited by woody -- 12/15/2006 6:31:00 AM > _____________________________ Warren Diggin down in Dixie, USA Work is for people who don't dig bottles President, Panhandle Cruisers http://www.panhandlecruisers.org/ (in reply to Higsmog) Post #: 33

RE: Ohio Milk Bottle Question - 1/6/2007 9:46:33 PM    carling   Posts: 375 Joined: 9/30/2006 Status: offline Hey Parker (Higsmog), In answering your question, the Telling-Ott bottle doesn't say Cleveland, just the typical C.C.S.-c.  Sorry it took so long to answer back, I haven't checked back on this thread in awhile, and WOW, what a stir has been raised since my original postings!  Going back to the beginning of the postings, I mentioned taking this bottle to someone I was advised was an expert and somehow connected to the Ohio Bottle book, but probably wasn't you.  You seem much more of a conscientious speaker than the man I briefly spoke with, so I'm sure it wasn't you I spoke with.  But just to clarify why I was questioning the prices in the book:   I am not a milk bottle collector, know basically nothing about milk bottle prices or any other bottle prices, and I'm only a very novice bottle collector.  So when I found a milk bottle and was told it wasn't listed in the Ohio Bottle Book, naturally I or anyone would think, Cool!  It must be very rare and have a decent value if it isn't in a collector's reference book!  So when I took this bottle to a show and was directed to whom I presumed was the book author, or coauthor, or whoever it may have been, and was told "about 10 bucks" value, I think anyone would naturally question how the values were determined, given it was a bottle previously unknown to exist!   Now maybe it is just my novice ignorance since I've learned that Cleveland area milk bottles aren't exactly in high demand, so maybe "10 bucks" is all it is worth, even if it is the only one known to exist.  Thanks for your info you gave me regarding Tellings, very interesting.  And good luck on getting the collectors to contribute on the future updates.  I can imagine that must be tough.  Maybe going to a different pricing system would appease everyone, since pricing seems to be their complaint.  Maybe leave the dollars out and try multiple categories like "Common, Semi-Common, Rare, Very Rare, Priceless, etc.". Good luck and thanks! Rick P.S.  I can't get the book (newest or older edition) here in the Cleveland/Cuyahoga County Library System!  I've tried ordering it a couple times on line, but they don't have a copy and won't transfer it from another County library.  Just some FYI. (in reply to capsoda) Post #: 34

RE: Ohio Milk Bottle Question - 1/10/2007 12:47:46 PM    zanes_antiques Posts: 2027 Joined: 9/3/2006 From: Steubenville, Ohio Status: offline Carling,   I have had several unlisted Cleveland Area Milks in the past year and have come to believe that for the most part they are almost worthless. I don't believe it is because of a lack of collectors in the area . There must be quite a few people from around Cleveland who collect milks, given it's size and population. All I can guess is that they just don't want to cut loose with the money and join us in the 21st Century. I have read and re-read the Ohio book many times and have come to several conclusions on how the prices were decided. The best guess I can make given Mr. Higby's own admission, is that he just sat down with very little time, and if he didn't know a particular bottle priced it between$8-$15. Not a very scientific method I must admit but he did get the book out on time! So far I have added atleast 50 bottles to the ones already listed. Just yesterday I saw 3 that were all from the same Perry County Dairy and only one was vaguely listed. That's another story in itself. You can get an idea of how scarce a bottle is just by the way it is listed in the book. For instance; if the book reads" The Snyder Country Dairy, Somerset, Ohio. $10-$12, raise an eyebrow. The bottles in that book are very specifically listed. They will tell every mark and variation on each bottle known to the collector who submitted the entry. I go by the theory, the more vague the listing the rarer the bottle no matter what price is on it. There is also another indicator I use in determining how good a bottle is from the book's listings. If it is a common bottle listed for $8-$10 it should say 1/2pint, pint, and quart also in the listing but if it is more scarce and listed for the same price he sometimes listed only one or two sizes of the bottle. Then there are the old "$14-$22 Bottles".This usually tells me something is up with the bottle also. The reason I say this is because there is not a difference of only $5 dollars between the common and rare bottles. It isn't reasonable to believe that a common bottle is worth $8-$10 dollars and a scarce bottle is only worth $10- $15 or $16-$22 for that matter. Your average common milk from anywhere in Ohio goes for about $10 in an antiques shop or bottle show. The scarce bottles go anywhere from $20-$50. The rare milks bring $50 and up. In my own little book, I have put together for my area, I have more bottles listed for $50 and up than what is in the whole Ohio Book. I may be stretching it just a bit by saying that but the point is that the Ohio book isn't just a hair off but a total failure. The only thing it is good for besides, cheating people, is to figure out what is known of and what is not. If you take it at it's face value, and try to use it to determine what your bottles are worth, then you will be far off on the value of any bottle that is anything but super common. Like I said before it's great to take to "little old lady's" homes and buy with. The only way that there will ever be an accurate guide to the value of milk bottles in the state of Ohio is if different people from different areas put together their own books. The task is too great for any one man to accomplish alone. For the most part I don't believe that there was a concerted effort to mislead people in the values but more of someone trying to do the impossible. On the other hand I know there are bottle prices listed for certain bottles in this book that the author knows are bogus. _____________________________ I buy, sell, barter, and beg....Zane (in reply to carling) Post #: 35

RE: Ohio Milk Bottle Question - 1/11/2007 12:54:18 AM    JGUIS   Posts: 1705 Joined: 3/18/2006 From: New Lexington, OH Status: offline _____________________________ A pipe gives a wise man time to think, and gives a fool something to stick in his mouth. (in reply to zanes_antiques) Post #: 36

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