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RE: Wicker cover bottle? - 12/1/2006 11:54:26 AM    GuntherHess Posts: 5121 Joined: 12/13/2004 From: Frederick Maryland Status: offline quote: What do demi's this size usually go for anyway? quote: ORIGINAL: swizzle Value is mostly based on color,color, color, and age/style ... did I mention color?.  Ones of typical American style and pontil marked ones sell best. Of course ones that are in the style of the sought after glass houses (Stoddard, GGW, Keene) are desirable. _____________________________ Looking for Frederick Maryland and Dr Fahrney Bottles 2008 Medicine Bottle Price Guide on CDROM http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/BottleBook2008.htm email http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/email.jpg (in reply to swizzle) Post #: 21

RE: Wicker cover bottle? - 12/1/2006 11:59:33 AM    swizzle   Posts: 1325 Joined: 3/2/2005 From: Upstate NY Status: offline I don't think its pontilled. It does cup inwards slightly but I don't see and iron residue. Should I try to get a better pic of the bottom or is the one I posted sufficent? I also forgot to mention with the extra thick base the demi is only 15" tall, without the base it'd probably be 14". I also know where I can get one of these or something very similar to this one. http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-Demijohn-Large-Glass-Bottle-Carboy-Wine_W0QQitemZ260059687092QQihZ016QQcategoryZ39502QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting Its sitting outside of an antique shop that's closed for winter. I might be able to stop and inquire about it but what is it really worth. To me it look like a newly manufactured piece. What is a good price to pay for something of this size? Swizzle < Message edited by swizzle -- 12/1/2006 12:36:20 PM > (in reply to GuntherHess) Post #: 22

RE: Wicker cover bottle? - 12/1/2006 2:54:39 PM    swizzle   Posts: 1325 Joined: 3/2/2005 From: Upstate NY Status: offline This is the reply I recieved: Hello, Jason . . .  Well, you are presented with the classic dilemma for a demijohn collector -- remove the wicker, or leave the piece intact. In recent years, I have become more conservative in making such decisions.  I decide on a case-by-case basis, with no firm rules. Colorless/aqua demijohns have relatively low dollar value, and relatively low impact on display.  Good wicker may be its most appealing quality.  In the end, it is an esthetic call -- what appeals most to you? ------Harry Pristis I am going to keep the wicker on it for now. If it was in rougher shape then I would have had no problems ripping off the wicker. In my opinion it still looks good with the wicker so I'm keeping it on for now. I'm still with most of you guys here and really wonder whats under all that wicker and I really want to see the glass. Then again it may be a piece that my son or one of your children will have the pleasure of releasing it from its confines in the future. The next wicker covered demi I buy will be set free. Swizzle (in reply to swizzle) Post #: 23

RE: Wicker cover bottle? - 12/1/2006 3:26:12 PM    cobaltbot Posts: 1683 Joined: 4/7/2006 From: Delta, PA Status: offline Lots of good viewpoints, sometimes the unknown IS the most valuable thing.  Since its aqua and the wicker does look in very good shape with a good base I don't think you can go too wrong with your decision. I like the future generation stuff and you will, like you say, find another where the wickers too shot and just has to come off, I hope it's a beauty and eventually I'll bet youll even find one thats embossed.  I still have one with the wicker on. One day there may not be many examples like it left. Harry knows his glass.  Mouses are not uncommon for old ones of these.  A borescope could be usefull for checking out the insides.....or maybe not.....for now the mystery timecapsule remains intact............  _____________________________ My tombstone will read: He went out for a walk and never came back.... (in reply to swizzle) Post #: 24

RE: Wicker cover bottle? - 12/1/2006 4:01:38 PM    swizzle   Posts: 1325 Joined: 3/2/2005 From: Upstate NY Status: offline With everyone ripping of the wicker maybe it'll help to increase its value as an increasingly rare wicker covered demi. This is the 2nd demi I've had the opertunity to buy so I know they can't be extremely common. Come to think of it I have to go back to that other antique shop and double check that other demi. I know more about them now then I did last year and I might be able to pick up that other one for $25 if its still there. Swizzle (in reply to cobaltbot) Post #: 25

RE: Wicker cover bottle? - 12/1/2006 9:01:35 PM    cobaltbot Posts: 1683 Joined: 4/7/2006 From: Delta, PA Status: offline For the smaller ones you see them all the time for 20 - 30 bucks in shops and unless its something special or from a valued glass house they are only valued  at that much.and you usually wouldn't even make that back off ebay.  Undervalued now I still think. Here's four out of my five, the one with the wicker on it is a smaller one and is at work. Only the far right one had on wicker that I took off.  The aqua one was full of potporri.  The second from the left is pontilled but I believe is German in origin.  Would like to find out something about the first one, my latest. Attachment (1) < Message edited by cobaltbot -- 12/2/2006 7:24:33 AM > _____________________________ My tombstone will read: He went out for a walk and never came back.... (in reply to swizzle) Post #: 26

RE: Wicker cover bottle? - 12/1/2006 9:52:53 PM    annie44 Posts: 1135 Joined: 10/27/2005 Status: offline Here are mine... I posted this pic on another thread, but thought I'd add it here, too.  If I had more room I would buy a lot of demis, but I don't really have space for the ones I do have!  Attachment (1) (in reply to cobaltbot) Post #: 27

RE: Wicker cover bottle? - 12/1/2006 10:06:41 PM    cobaltbot Posts: 1683 Joined: 4/7/2006 From: Delta, PA Status: offline Awesome picture! _____________________________ My tombstone will read: He went out for a walk and never came back.... (in reply to annie44) Post #: 28

RE: Wicker cover bottle? - 12/1/2006 10:16:25 PM    southern Maine diver Posts: 1436 Joined: 8/13/2005 From: South Berwick, Maine USA Status: offline Hey Annie44.. Which ones were wicker encased?????    Did you strip any of them...????? I still maintain that we crave the glass... the way it sparkles in the morning sunshine when displayed in the window...The way the bubbles appear...the seams...the color... the base... the pontil... I need the Glass!!!!!        If I want wicker... I'll buy an old chair!!!!    I need to feel... to look... to experience ... to appreciate the skill of the glassblower ....  not the wicker weaver... Wayne (in reply to annie44) Post #: 29

RE: Wicker cover bottle? - 12/2/2006 7:01:31 AM    annie44 Posts: 1135 Joined: 10/27/2005 Status: offline None of them were wicker encased when I purchased them, but I think at least three of them probably were originally.  They clean up well once the wicker is removed so you can hardly tell that they were once encased.  I agree with you Wayne - I like to see the glass - the stretch marks in the neck, bubbles, whittle, and of course the pontil mark on the base!  (in reply to GuntherHess) Post #: 30

RE: Wicker cover bottle? - 12/2/2006 10:37:12 AM    swizzle   Posts: 1325 Joined: 3/2/2005 From: Upstate NY Status: offline I'm sorry to disappoint all of you who want to see the glass. I just feel for now that its better this way. I've seen quite a bit of wicker but none with the wooden base. I'll admit most of what I've seen in wicker has been newer bottles but even the demi's I see on ebay and the net have complete wicker. My ultimate dream demi is one of those really awesome looking apple shaped ones. The best looking demi I've ever seen in person looks to me to be about 6 gallons. Its a nice looking dark green blob top. Last I saw it, it was sitting in someones front yard. I wanna see if they are interested in selling their "Big Bottle!" Those are some awesome pics above. I love the freeblowns, they're the best and the amount of different colors is amazing as well. Thanx for all of your opinions and pics. This has been an awesome thread. Anyone else have large freeblown demi pics? That almost sounds kinky, lol. Swizzle (in reply to annie44) Post #: 31

RE: Wicker cover bottle? - 12/2/2006 11:18:06 AM    GuntherHess Posts: 5121 Joined: 12/13/2004 From: Frederick Maryland Status: offline I actually like the little demijohns better because you can fit a couple of them in a window. The big ones pretty much require thier own window.  This is a citron one but the color is hard to capture. It had wicker on it in an antque shop, price was $3. < Message edited by GuntherHess -- 12/2/2006 11:19:26 AM > _____________________________ Looking for Frederick Maryland and Dr Fahrney Bottles 2008 Medicine Bottle Price Guide on CDROM http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/BottleBook2008.htm email http://www.mattsoldhouse.com/MC/bottles/email.jpg (in reply to swizzle) Post #: 32

RE: Wicker cover bottle? - 12/2/2006 11:43:11 AM    zanes_antiques Posts: 2027 Joined: 9/3/2006 From: Steubenville, Ohio Status: offline I might as well put a photo up of my demi too even tho I have it in another post as well. So far I haven't seen any other demi's with this type of lip. It's almost like a sarasota water (dbl taperred). I haven't measured the volume yet but that is a quart milk next to it. Attachment (1) _____________________________ I buy, sell, barter, and beg....Zane (in reply to GuntherHess) Post #: 33

RE: Wicker cover bottle? - 12/2/2006 12:30:29 PM    bne74honda   Posts: 156 Joined: 2/19/2004 From: Barrie, Ontario, Canada Status: offline OH boy.....now what do I do? Just happened onto this thread and seeing the 'de-wickered' demis am now faced with a hard decision.. I picked up this demi from my nephew's grandfather. He brought with him from Portugal some 40 yrs ago. All I can tell is that it's amber. The wicker is in perfect condition, just dirty. Guess I have some thinkin to do....great thread!   Brian Attachment (1) _____________________________ I believe in compulsory cannibalism. If people were forced to eat what they killed, there would be no more wars - Abbie Hoffman (in reply to zanes_antiques) Post #: 34

RE: Wicker cover bottle? - 12/2/2006 12:53:27 PM    swizzle   Posts: 1325 Joined: 3/2/2005 From: Upstate NY Status: offline Personally I'd keep it on. If it didn't display well I'd rip it right off. Ultimately it's your call and you can see all of the opinions everyone else has. If you do decide to rip it off then post some action pics of the destruction to satisfy us glass lovers. What does the wicker look like on the bottom? Can you tell if its pontiled? Swizzle (in reply to bne74honda) Post #: 35

RE: Wicker cover bottle? - 12/2/2006 12:59:51 PM    zanes_antiques Posts: 2027 Joined: 9/3/2006 From: Steubenville, Ohio Status: offline It seems funny to me the there's people out there with such a propensity towards destruction and they also collect bottles....go figure. Hey swiz when I get ready to melt down all my garbage finds I'll video it just for you. _____________________________ I buy, sell, barter, and beg....Zane (in reply to swizzle) Post #: 36

RE: Wicker cover bottle? - 12/2/2006 3:52:31 PM    swizzle   Posts: 1325 Joined: 3/2/2005 From: Upstate NY Status: offline Sweet can you add it to the destruction of fuses post? lol Sorry Zane, after being so careful not to break glass everyday its nice to break the tention so to speak. Swizzle (in reply to zanes_antiques) Post #: 37

RE: Wicker cover bottle? - 12/2/2006 7:30:58 PM    Monsonant   Posts: 58 Joined: 5/5/2004 From: Monson Massachusetts Status: offline Swizzle , Leaving the wicker on is the correct decision ... I have seen a lot of demis and never seen a bottom like that . Not allot of research has been done on the origins of wicker wrappings . A good percentage are European (wine) also many came out of Cuba and the islands that had Rum in them . Bacardi continued wrapping (in the old tradition ) Rum till around the 1920s.  Since then a lot of cheap wines from Italy and Portugal were  wrapped in demis. These are easy to pick out as new because they used a more leafy / rush  wrapping   Most of the old American ones look more like sticks.  Your looks  fairly early to me from what I can see .. looks like a nice big graphite pontil ... What kind of  wood is on the base , that would be a good clue if you can tell what it is . If its american and the glass house can be established it will be worth much more with the wicker on . _____________________________ 'Not all who wander are lost.' (in reply to swizzle) Post #: 38

RE: Wicker cover bottle? - 12/2/2006 9:46:50 PM    newtothebottleworld   Posts: 231 Joined: 9/20/2005 From: West Virginia Status: offline Here is a link to a wicker covered bottle with wood bottom that is currently up for bids on ebay.http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220054298104&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fsearch.ebay.com%3A80%2Fsearch%2Fsearch.dll%3FMfcISAPICommand%3DGetResult%26ht%3D1%26SortProperty%3DMetaEndSort%26query%3D220054298104%26ssPageName%3DADME%3AB%3ATB2%3AUS%3A2%26from%3DR18%26fvi%3D1 (in reply to GuntherHess) Post #: 39

RE: Wicker cover bottle? - 12/3/2006 1:36:29 PM    swizzle   Posts: 1325 Joined: 3/2/2005 From: Upstate NY Status: offline I might be wrong but the wicker on that one looks almost new. How would I find out what type of wood was used for the base? I would love to know where it was manufactured but how do you go about researching old wicker? Swizzle (in reply to newtothebottleworld) Post #: 40

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