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RE: New Hampshire Bans Digging... Starting Now? - 12/23/2006 8:56:57 AM    bearswede Posts: 2909 Joined: 9/28/2004 From: western mass Status: offline quote: I wrong in thinking this? Archeologists are concerned with interpreting human behavior over time... they bring a unique perspective to this endeavor, even to short spans of time and even where massive amounts of other data are available, such as written records... While there are bad apples in every basket, I believe most archeologists pursue their profession with honest integrity and a desire to improve the human condition... Ron _____________________________ "I LOVE Wolfies!!!!!!!!!!!!" (in reply to swizzle) Post #: 61

RE: New Hampshire Bans Digging... Starting Now? - 12/23/2006 9:42:52 AM    zanes_antiques Posts: 2027 Joined: 9/3/2006 From: Steubenville, Ohio Status: offline I bet that guy, who wrote the article, is wonderring how and why a guy from Mich. heard about his little old newspaper article. Famous or infamous? _____________________________ I buy, sell, barter, and beg....Zane (in reply to bearswede) Post #: 62

RE: New Hampshire Bans Digging... Starting Now? - 12/23/2006 10:21:19 AM    earlyglass   Posts: 353 Joined: 12/21/2004 Status: online Bill, Thank you very much for your letter of strength supporting the hobby. This is certainly what we need to demonstrate unity and our position. To be honest, I am not much of a digger, but I am a collector and a supporter of responsible diggers. If you need any "local" assistance, I am from the Manchester area. Please let me know how I may be able to help you. Mike (in reply to zanes_antiques) Post #: 63

RE: New Hampshire Bans Digging... Starting Now? - 12/23/2006 11:50:39 AM    Caretaker maine   Posts: 518 Joined: 7/9/2005 From: Scarboro Status: offline I say we get a massive digging party there, 500 strong, diggging, when ask what we are doing, we can say we are cleaning up a waiste site the gov let go and is now leaching into our water systems and killing our offspring, and perserving history, we can give all that is found to the local historic societies , so all can see the history and not keep in some cellar of a museum, where only high class archies and there money friends can view it, like I said many times, we pay taxes, this is our land, this is our trash to restore, what they don't like is we have fun in what we do , guys Have a Merry Christmas steve _____________________________ go out and dig something (in reply to bearswede) Post #: 64

RE: New Hampshire Bans Digging... Starting Now? - 12/23/2006 2:04:26 PM    bikegoon Posts: 671 Joined: 10/2/2006 From: Lebanon, Ohio Status: offline "As for why it's news now is simple. We were told about it and we felt readers would be interested in it. Much of the news covered is not fresh, but redicovered, kind of like an old bottle". The above qoute from the original guy, speaks volumes to me, he was looking for trouble and found it. He found a large family of diggers that love what they do, and really care for the enviroment. I really hope he has strong shoulders because he will not hear the end of this for some time. Bill, Great letter you wrote! _____________________________ A little of everything at http://www.bottlecache.com (in reply to Caretaker maine) Post #: 65

RE: New Hampshire Bans Digging... Starting Now? - 12/23/2006 2:23:14 PM    bearswede Posts: 2909 Joined: 9/28/2004 From: western mass Status: offline Ben... There is an argument among the archeological community that sites discovered thru testing to be highly significant should be left alone, as long as they are not under imminent threat of destruction... The theory is that, since there's not enough money to dig all important sites anyway, leave those that aren't threatened until there is enough money to excavate, and when reserach designs and technological advances have progressed such that more and better information could be extracted... Ron _____________________________ "I LOVE Wolfies!!!!!!!!!!!!" (in reply to madpaddla) Post #: 66

RE: New Hampshire Bans Digging... Starting Now? - 12/23/2006 2:28:49 PM    bearswede Posts: 2909 Joined: 9/28/2004 From: western mass Status: offline Archeology isn't concerned with the "rich & famous"... It is concerned with the broad strokes of human behavior as it exists and changes thru time... This means the behavior of average people doing typical things...creating patterns of behavior that can be identified and compared/contrasted to other sets of human behaviors in other times and other settings... Ron < Message edited by bearswede -- 11/20/2007 11:26:00 AM > _____________________________ "I LOVE Wolfies!!!!!!!!!!!!" (in reply to ConchDigger) Post #: 67

RE: New Hampshire Bans Digging... Starting Now? - 12/23/2006 2:37:41 PM    bearswede Posts: 2909 Joined: 9/28/2004 From: western mass Status: offline quote: who here has an archaeology degree? I do... What's your point? Ron < Message edited by bearswede -- 12/23/2006 3:07:51 PM > _____________________________ "I LOVE Wolfies!!!!!!!!!!!!" (in reply to PhilaBottles) Post #: 68

RE: New Hampshire Bans Digging... Starting Now? - 12/23/2006 2:42:26 PM    bearswede Posts: 2909 Joined: 9/28/2004 From: western mass Status: offline I think you're being very unfair, Joel... His reply sounded honest and sincere to me... Ron _____________________________ "I LOVE Wolfies!!!!!!!!!!!!" (in reply to Mainepontil) Post #: 69

RE: New Hampshire Bans Digging... Starting Now? - 12/23/2006 2:43:30 PM    Gunsmoke47 Posts: 1160 Joined: 12/29/2003 From: TEXAS Status: offline I was kinda wonderin what took you so long to chime in Mr. Swede. (in reply to bearswede) Post #: 70

RE: New Hampshire Bans Digging... Starting Now? - 12/23/2006 2:47:45 PM    bearswede Posts: 2909 Joined: 9/28/2004 From: western mass Status: offline Archeologists deal with all kinds of artifacts, termed "material culture"... Physical Anthropologists deal specifically with human and/or related non-human remains... Ron _____________________________ "I LOVE Wolfies!!!!!!!!!!!!" (in reply to Genno62) Post #: 71

RE: New Hampshire Bans Digging... Starting Now? - 12/23/2006 2:53:22 PM    bearswede Posts: 2909 Joined: 9/28/2004 From: western mass Status: offline You are exactly, Trog... One of the reasons archeologists prefer to wait until they have more money and better tools to extract essential information from a site... The number one thing you learn when studying archeology is that you are engaging in destruction... The trick is to do it systematically and in the framework of theory... Ron _____________________________ "I LOVE Wolfies!!!!!!!!!!!!" (in reply to TROG) Post #: 72

RE: New Hampshire Bans Digging... Starting Now? - 12/23/2006 2:59:15 PM    annie44 Posts: 1135 Joined: 10/27/2005 Status: offline Thanks for your comments, Ron. (in reply to bearswede) Post #: 73

RE: New Hampshire Bans Digging... Starting Now? - 12/23/2006 3:13:23 PM    bearswede Posts: 2909 Joined: 9/28/2004 From: western mass Status: offline Cindy, Kelly... Thanks for taking the time and courtesy to reply... There's definitely a need to strive for balance here...But there are those who only see what they want to see... Happy holidays to all forums members and their families!!!!!!!!! Ron _____________________________ "I LOVE Wolfies!!!!!!!!!!!!" (in reply to annie44) Post #: 74

RE: New Hampshire Bans Digging... Starting Now? - 12/23/2006 4:00:25 PM    capsoda Posts: 7865 Joined: 11/15/2005 From: Seminole,Alabama, USA Status: offline Well said Bill and Ron. I am a bottle digger/collector and I have dug for bottles with some archy types. One of my favorite diggin buds was an archy. He has passed quite a few years ago but was a passionate digger/collector and he kept a balance going in the comminuty. He was replaced by a theiving, coniving little witch who stole many many archeoligicaly important items and sold them on ebay of all places. She is now paying for her trans gressions in prison. I beleive that this guy is wrong and is not one of the good guys. If he were he would be tring to save something great and not woring about a dump that is of no real use archeoligically. _____________________________ Warren Diggin down in Dixie, USA Work is for people who don't dig bottles President, Panhandle Cruisers http://www.panhandlecruisers.org/ (in reply to bearswede) Post #: 75

RE: New Hampshire Bans Digging... Starting Now? - 12/23/2006 5:45:54 PM    tigermaple1855   Posts: 88 Joined: 10/18/2003 Status: offline My biggest problem with archaeology and their digging principles is that it's so secretive and shrouded.  I've seen it here in the US and also over in Greece.  We as spectators cannot get close enough to observe the digs and after everything is dug it goes into storage.  We, as taxpayers fund most of these digs and most of it ends up never seeing the light of day.  If, on every dig they were required to make a public presentation of their findings they would have more support from guys like us.  Dean (in reply to capsoda) Post #: 76

RE: New Hampshire Bans Digging... Starting Now? - 12/23/2006 6:32:34 PM    zanes_antiques Posts: 2027 Joined: 9/3/2006 From: Steubenville, Ohio Status: offline It is knowledge and not a piece of paper that determines who is an archeologist. I'm sure there has been plenty learned from people without a degree. In the same token I believe there has been plenty destroyed and squandered by those with a degree. In my travels, growing up with a father who collected Indian Relics, I have seen academics who were better off keeping their mouth's shut. How many great finds have been made by the amature compared to those made by the pro's. A Degree is given to the person who graduates last in his class as well as first in his class. The ones who become City employed are probably somewhere in the bottom of that barrel. I for one do not have a degree in local history but I bet I have read more and have retained more than many who call themselves "Professionals"! < Message edited by zanes_antiques -- 12/23/2006 6:34:05 PM > _____________________________ I buy, sell, barter, and beg....Zane (in reply to capsoda) Post #: 77

RE: New Hampshire Bans Digging... Starting Now? - 12/23/2006 7:05:36 PM    Gunsmoke47 Posts: 1160 Joined: 12/29/2003 From: TEXAS Status: offline      I have had the rewarding experience of working with three different archeologists on six different occasions.  The three I have worked with were anal in the recovery of artifacts as they should be, because that is their job.  That is what they do.  They take dirt off ten centimeters at a time, and map in profiles one meter square.  They do this to try and figure out or understand what was taking place 100 years, 1000 years or 10,000 years ago.  It doesn't matter if you were Pharoh's daughter, the limb off of George Washington's cherry tree or Joe Blow's flask in a privy.      To some archys, people like us are just potters.  But to other archys, people like us are a godsend.  We help them because they are so understaffed.  To group all archeologist into one category would be as stupid as to group unethical a-hole bottle diggers in with the responsible bottle diggers that constitute the majority of this forum.  Please don't slam all archeologist over this quote by some ignorant professional in New Hampshire.     Tiger: If you want to get up close and observe what the archys do...volunteer.  You won't get to keep anything that you find, but you will see the amount of work that is involved.      Zane: You are correct about learned people without a degree...I am one of them.  I am active in the recovery of Indian artifacts, both historic and pre-historic, as well as military and glass artifacts.      I am not on a soap-box here, I will dig a privy, dump, or pit and keep my finds as long as it is legal.  I also gps, log, and document all my finds.      Please just don't group all professionals in the same category as this idiot from New Hampshire. Happy Diggin and Happy Holidays to you all, Kelley (in reply to zanes_antiques) Post #: 78

RE: New Hampshire Bans Digging... Starting Now? - 12/23/2006 7:26:01 PM    bearswede Posts: 2909 Joined: 9/28/2004 From: western mass Status: offline Dean... In  Massachusetts the process is generally quite open... Unless there is concern about the site being vandalized, state and university sponsored excavations are open to the public... Umass most years does a field school in Old Deerfield, a well-preserved colonial community, and the public is invited to visit and ask questions... Every year the Massachusetts Historical Commission sponsors Archeology Week... A whole host of programs takes place in various towns and cities across the state, all open to the public... Ron < Message edited by bearswede -- 12/23/2006 7:29:47 PM > _____________________________ "I LOVE Wolfies!!!!!!!!!!!!" (in reply to tigermaple1855) Post #: 79

RE: New Hampshire Bans Digging... Starting Now? - 12/23/2006 7:36:06 PM    bearswede Posts: 2909 Joined: 9/28/2004 From: western mass Status: offline Hey, Kelly... Nicely put... Have you had a chance to do any excavations or surveys lately? Ron _____________________________ "I LOVE Wolfies!!!!!!!!!!!!" (in reply to Gunsmoke47) Post #: 80

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