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rare 1/2 pint double eagle before/after - 10/15/2010 12:49:48 AM   
druggistnut


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Status: online 		I was told by two Pittsburgh fellas that there might be another one of these 1/2 pints, in this green color, in a Ohio collection. That, along with estimates of it's worth, made Tom and I decide to have it professionally cleaned. Tom and I both have tumblers, but we didn't want to risk this one.
The guy who did this used tiny #14 or #16 pieces of copper on the inside and plastic pellets on the outside. The total turn time was three weeks.
It's hard to get the real sense of the color of this thing, so I put a couple aqua bottles next to it in the last picture.
This is going to John Pastor's American Glass Gallery for auction (unless someone makes a ridiculous offer first).





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RE: rare 1/2 pint double eagle before/after - 10/15/2010 12:52:05 AM   
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RE: rare 1/2 pint double eagle before/after - 10/15/2010 12:53:15 AM   
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RE: rare 1/2 pint double eagle before/after - 10/15/2010 1:12:07 AM   
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RE: rare 1/2 pint double eagle before/after - 10/15/2010 2:51:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		This is a beautiful piece but why do we have to make these amazing pieces of history look like they have no history. Yes I know that we love our shiny bottles but maybe that should be those that are found under houses or in attics or towers or ash dumps not affected by water or content stain. I remember as a boy at just the thrill of finding these beautiful things covered in muck and then washed off they have that wonderful hazy softness of being buried 140+ years. I own two of these flasks in the pale aqua, a large and a small and I bought them on EBAY and they are tumbled to death and so they look so "new". This wonderful green flask seemed to have such a great overall softness to it before anything was done. I hope that we dont do that to everything we unearth. But that is just my thought, you will probably throw tomatoes at me now! I just had to say it... Tim

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RE: rare 1/2 pint double eagle before/after - 10/15/2010 5:18:10 AM   
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ORIGINAL: buriedtreasuretime

This is a beautiful piece but why do we have to make these amazing pieces of history look like they have no history. Yes I know that we love our shiny bottles but maybe that should be those that are found under houses or in attics or towers or ash dumps not affected by water or content stain. I remember as a boy at just the thrill of finding these beautiful things covered in muck and then washed off they have that wonderful hazy softness of being buried 140+ years. I own two of these flasks in the pale aqua, a large and a small and I bought them on EBAY and they are tumbled to death and so they look so "new". This wonderful green flask seemed to have such a great overall softness to it before anything was done. I hope that we dont do that to everything we unearth. But that is just my thought, you will probably throw tomatoes at me now! I just had to say it... Tim


I'm going to have to side with BTT.The first shot of the bottle looks like it should after that long nap.
When dug bottles are cleaned "spotless" its kinda of like the history was just wiped off of it.
Everyone has there own way,spotless and crystal clean takes the 19th century look right off.
I dont care if you throw rocks at me thats my 2 cents

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RE: rare 1/2 pint double eagle before/after - 10/15/2010 6:06:44 AM   
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ORIGINAL: RICKJJ59W


quote:

ORIGINAL: buriedtreasuretime

This is a beautiful piece but why do we have to make these amazing pieces of history look like they have no history. Yes I know that we love our shiny bottles but maybe that should be those that are found under houses or in attics or towers or ash dumps not affected by water or content stain. I remember as a boy at just the thrill of finding these beautiful things covered in muck and then washed off they have that wonderful hazy softness of being buried 140+ years. I own two of these flasks in the pale aqua, a large and a small and I bought them on EBAY and they are tumbled to death and so they look so "new". This wonderful green flask seemed to have such a great overall softness to it before anything was done. I hope that we dont do that to everything we unearth. But that is just my thought, you will probably throw tomatoes at me now! I just had to say it... Tim


I'm going to have to side with BTT.The first shot of the bottle looks like it should after that long nap.
When dug bottles are cleaned "spotless" its kinda of like the history was just wiped off of it.
Everyone has there own way,spotless and crystal clean takes the 19th century look right off.
I dont care if you throw rocks at me thats my 2 cents

I thought the same exact thing before reading these two posts, now it looks like it was made last week, but if that helps it sell I guess it's better for you....Jim

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RE: rare 1/2 pint double eagle before/after - 10/15/2010 7:25:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'm a mint bug if there ever was one, but I gotta say it did look better before cleaning.  It's still a beautiful bottle, man, but it just seemed older and more primitive, especially with the field and trees in the background.  The top looked better and the embossing looked more defined.  Not to say that the thought never crossed my mind, but I wouldn't clean this one for all the money in the world.




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RE: rare 1/2 pint double eagle before/after - 10/15/2010 8:12:42 AM   
GuntherHess


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Status: offline 		Its nice either way but I would prefer it cleaned. Dont know why, I just like flasks to be clean?.?.?

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RE: rare 1/2 pint double eagle before/after - 10/15/2010 11:06:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		I've wrestled with the notion of cleaning some of the ones I've got, and still do on occasion. It's hard to see whittle under stain. I think the flask looks great cleaned up, although it looked great before too. The best part about it is the fact that plastic pellets were used on the exterior. It kept most if not all of the texture intact. It certainly doesn't look over tumbled or super slick like so many sodas we see. Most of the flasks you see in any major glass auction were cleaned to one extent or another anyways. I think you made a decision that will more then pay for itself. Nice flask. One question I've got though is why are you selling it? It would take a team of wild horses to get that away from me if I dug it.

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RE: rare 1/2 pint double eagle before/after - 10/15/2010 11:07:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		i gotta go with the cleaned up version. i dont see how people say it looks newer. if anything i think it looks older with all the whittleing(not sure if i spelled that right).it would make a great window bottle now! thanks for sharing

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RE: rare 1/2 pint double eagle before/after - 10/15/2010 11:32:54 AM   
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It's hard to see whittle under stain.


That's one of my main reasons. I love cold mold cooling effects.

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RE: rare 1/2 pint double eagle before/after - 10/15/2010 11:36:43 AM   
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Status: online 		I think there are certain bottles whose sickness adds to their charm, but that was not the case with this flask.. it looks much better cleaned up, in my opinion.

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RE: rare 1/2 pint double eagle before/after - 10/15/2010 11:41:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		tumbling normally involves cutting and polishing. Excessively cut bottles are definately a bad thing. Thats where you get that weird fading of the embossing.
Its all in the eye of the beholder (or holder) though ...

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RE: rare 1/2 pint double eagle before/after - 10/15/2010 11:46:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		If your doing if for sale you kindof gotta do it or you'll get nothing. If your sending to auction you do have to mention it though. I don't know which would make more but it still should be said. A serious collector will know.

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RE: rare 1/2 pint double eagle before/after - 10/15/2010 11:43:50 PM   
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Status: online 		Aaron,
There were two of us on this dig, hence a split. I really don't collect flasks, but I do keep some of them I have dug. You're right, if I had dug it on my own, it would have stayed with me, soap and water cleaned, as it was. None of the hutches in my collection have been tumbled and very few druggists.
Bottom line, Tom and I couldn't some up with a value we were comfortable with ( some flasks have been going nuts) and what we kinda half-hazardly guessed at, neither of us wanted to or could afford to buy the other out.
This flask has no orange peel effect of slickness that is referred to here. It is one of the best cleanings I have ever laid eyes on.
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RE: rare 1/2 pint double eagle before/after - 10/16/2010 8:05:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		You are right, someone did a fabulous cleaning job.  You can look at the demarcation lines between the highlights on the bottle and the shaded parts  and see that the original rough surface is still there. 

Who did the cleaning?

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RE: rare 1/2 pint double eagle before/after - 10/16/2010 8:09:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		If everyone is voting on wether it looks better cleaned or not I couldn't decide.  If it was my bottle I would just get rid of the damage that detracted from the bottles appearance or didn't enhance it.

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RE: rare 1/2 pint double eagle before/after - 10/16/2010 12:38:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		This is perhaps the enduring debate for bottle collectors, to tumble or not to tumble. Some love the bottles real shiney, some completely as found and others reside in the middle.

I find it hard to always tell the extent of tumbling from pictures. In general I hate the over tumbled, slick bottles that will slip right through your fingers. This bottle looks pretty good, but it also looked pretty good before too.

Sometimes I'll lightly tumble only the inside and see how that looks before doing anything else.

As far as selling goes, an untumbled bottle can always be tumbled after its sold if thats what the new owner wants. Sadly, a tumbled bottle can't be untumbled if thats what the new owner wants.

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RE: rare 1/2 pint double eagle before/after - 10/16/2010 12:59:50 PM   
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Aaron,
There were two of us on this dig, hence a split. I really don't collect flasks, but I do keep some of them I have dug. You're right, if I had dug it on my own, it would have stayed with me, soap and water cleaned, as it was. None of the hutches in my collection have been tumbled and very few druggists.
Bottom line, Tom and I couldn't some up with a value we were comfortable with ( some flasks have been going nuts) and what we kinda half-hazardly guessed at, neither of us wanted to or could afford to buy the other out.
This flask has no orange peel effect of slickness that is referred to here. It is one of the best cleanings I have ever laid eyes on.
Bill



Well that's a good reason I suppose. What else came out of the pit? Good thing you guys divide up the spoils the way you do or someone would have been bummin. How would you have felt if you were digging with the ol "keep what you find" rule and your digging partner found it, or visa versa? That would SUCK!!!!! I have heard of diggers having a "mutual" collection, but I don't know how much I would dig that either. Is that the best bottle you guys have dug, together or alone? Sure is pretty. Hope you guys get top dollar for it, especially if it's 1 of 2 known in that color, or unique in that color. Congrats again.

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