Vernors Ginger Ale 150th B-Day

SODABOB · Sep 25, 2016

I did a little detective work on this photograph and discovered that ...

1. The only dry cleaning store I could find in Detroit that used a 406 address was the La France Dry Cleaners that were located at 406 Scotten Avenue.

2. The grocery and tobacco store on the left (which I'm confident is 408 Scotten Avenue) was owned and operated by a gentleman named O. Witmore.

The reasons I investigated this photograph are ...

1. I was curious when it was taken.

2. It has the Vernor's VGA logo on the wagon - plus 33 Woodward - plus Phone Main 469 - plus a paper label bottle.

Taking all of the above into consideration, I'm giving it a date of ...

circa 1907

SODABOB · Sep 25, 2016

With my point of emphasis being ...

If my circa 1907 date is accurate, then it suggest the paper label bottle was in use at that time. There's more that I found regarding the 406 and 408 Scotten Avenue addresses, but the best dates I could come up for them were between 1905 and 1909. Hence, my circa 1907 date.

SODABOB · Sep 25, 2016

Regarding the Main 469 phone number, the earliest date I can find for that is 1896. And was used until sometime in the late teens or early 1920s when it was changed to Cherry 5400

SODABOB · Sep 25, 2016

Leon

I searched high and low but could not find where the VGA logo was ever trademarked. It just seems to have appeared out of nowhere around 1906-1907 (But this is only based on a somewhat-educated guess and is not confirmed)

SODABOB · Sep 25, 2016

Here's the Detroit Historical Society's description of the photograph I just posted ...

[FONT=&quot]A team of horses pulls a Vernors Ginger Ale delivery wagon in this 1909 photo provided by the Detroit Historical Society. The driver is seated in the front of the wagon, which is parked at the curb in front of a grocery store and a dry cleaning and dyeing shop, possibly on Scotten Avenue between Porter Street and Ida Avenue in Southwest Detroit. (Image courtesy of the Detroit Historical Society)

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SODABOB · Sep 25, 2016

But regardless if the photograph was taken in 1907 or 1909, it suggest the paper label bottle depicted on the wagon was used at least as early as 1907-1909, which is earlier than the 1911 Trademark date we discussed previously.

SODABOB · Sep 25, 2016

SODABOB said:
But let's not forget, this C.G. CO. 14-B bottle doesn't have the VGA monogram, either ...

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The best I can come up with about this particular bottle is what the Bottle Research Group claimed it their study.

Which is (copy/pasted) ...

Carolina Glass Co. (1902-1910)

Cohansey Glass Co. (1900-1909)

Coshocton Glass Co. (1902-ca. 1915)

Bottle Types:

Although the Carolina Glass Co. produced soda and beer bottles during its entire tenure, its main output was liquor ware – first for the Carolina Dispensary, then for the county dispensaries. It is very telling that neither Huggins (1977) nor Teal (2005) mentioned a single instance where Carolina Glass sold bottles to a Coca-Cola or Pepsi-Cola franchise – the two major southern brands represented in our sample.

The Conansey Glass Co. also made beer and soda bottles during its production life at East Downingtown from 1900 to ca. 1914. However, the main line of the factory appears to have been product jars and fruit jars (often indistinguishable from each other).

The Coshocton Glass Co. began manufacturing only beer bottles in 1902 and continued to produce beer containers as its main product until the advent of Prohibition in 1920. The firm soon added soda bottles to the inventory and included various other containers at different times. It is clear that this was the major beer and soda bottle manufacturer with C.G.CO.initials.

SODABOB · Sep 25, 2016

I did a brief search on all three class companies, and the only one I could find that produced soda bottles in 1896 and 1897 was the ...

Cohansey Glass Company ~ Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

From ...

The Labanon Daily News ~ Lebanon, Pennsylvania ~ July 29, 1896

Cohansey Glass Co. Soda Bottles Lebanon Daily News Penn July 29, 1896.jpg

( But I do not know if they were Hutchinson-type bottles or Crown-tops )

hemihampton · Sep 25, 2016

went by my buddy's house today. In his Garage Attic he said he had a old Wooden box of Vernor's full of Vernor's bottles. I say lets see them, Here's what he had, case dated to 1952 but bottles looked like 1960's maybe? Was not full of Vernors bottles only 7 were quart size Vernors. The other 5 in there were seperate. 4 different ones though, odd I figured all the bottles would be the same? Anybody have a Idea what a fair offer would be? LEON.

hemihampton · Sep 25, 2016

Case I just picked up today in better shape then most I've seen. LEON.

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