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dollarbill
10-21-2007, 01:18 PM
Hey all I have here a very small embossed pontiled bottle .Hover's Adamantine, Cement,Philad. cant seem to find much on it .Thanks for any help any one can give . Good luck diggen all. bill

https://www.antique-bottles.net/upfiles/3826/BC84BBDE025744DD8E6655F175966124.jpg

dollarbill
10-21-2007, 01:19 PM
heres the bottom

https://www.antique-bottles.net/upfiles/3826/7F559823DECF412BBCDD769BFC6F69AC.jpg

dollarbill
10-21-2007, 01:21 PM
another I like this new camera hope yall dont mind.

https://www.antique-bottles.net/upfiles/3826/19D73B1597F14105B491461C40EED86A.jpg

dollarbill
10-21-2007, 01:23 PM
one from the top

https://www.antique-bottles.net/upfiles/3826/0C993AC2455A421FBC4D6BF673322887.jpg

bearswede
10-21-2007, 01:41 PM
Hey, Bill...

Hover's is well-known for their much-in-demand ink bottles, and Matt's Med Price List has some hair dyes listed (presumably the same co.)...

I couldn't find a listing anywhere for your bottle...


Ron

GuntherHess
10-21-2007, 05:32 PM
I think Hover was mainly an ink maker but it was common for those companies to deal in glues, dyes, and other related products. Thats a nice one. As a general rule I dont normally put glues in my price guide.

appliedlips
10-21-2007, 09:30 PM
Bill,

NICE PICS!I am not sure if I have seen that exact bottle,but I think I remember digging Hover's Cement Phila bottles before and think I have one around here somewhere.I will try and find it.I thought the one's I have seen had inward rolled lips.That is sweet bottle you have there.Glues and household bottles,unfortunately don't sell for nearly as much as inks or meds however.I would guess $30-$40 for that one.I included a pic of a couple pontilled vials embossed HODGSON'S DIAMOND CEMENT we dug yesturday that are similar.I think they are from Philly too,if I remember correctly.Help us out Philly guys.Doug

https://www.antique-bottles.net/upfiles/3226/328578E6A671455E9BE54F89CE9803D9.jpg

dollarbill
10-21-2007, 11:34 PM
Hey Thanks Ron,Gunther and Doug for the info.I did find several inks and glues together on that dig.good luck diggen all.bill

https://www.antique-bottles.net/upfiles/3826/4FE000A827D640E6A508F0CBCE35639B.jpg

dollarbill
10-21-2007, 11:36 PM
Heres the other glue its pontiled to

https://www.antique-bottles.net/upfiles/3826/CF771F5E813047DAB321D2CF94B90010.jpg

Oldtimer
10-22-2007, 07:38 PM
That bottle is 1820s 1830s, the thin flared disc top (and the style of the embossing) is the giveaway. It's hard as thunder to find those tops undamaged.
I'd place a value (personal opinion) of at least $75.00 on that. Maybe more if I had it here to look over. It looks almost exactly like my Dr. J. Moore's Essence Life, another 20s/30s bottle.

appliedlips
10-23-2007, 09:06 PM
My guess would be 1850 or so,give or take a few years.Most of the inks from Hover's I have seen are from that era and the those flared lips was widely used right up until 1860 or so.Regardless,it is pre 1860,pontilled and crude.Doug

GuntherHess
10-24-2007, 09:49 AM
Joseph E Hover was a manf. from 1840 to 1886. I would guess your bottle is 1840-1860 period.

dollarbill
10-25-2007, 01:30 AM
Hey thanks Gents 1840 to 1860 that works. Seems most of the ones I found together that day were 1830 to 1860s. The American oil was the oldest I think. Thanks agian all.bill These were found close by

https://www.antique-bottles.net/upfiles/3826/6DF9931C0DAA4AAF9483EB58454B9968.jpg

Oldtimer
10-26-2007, 05:17 PM
I defer to you guys, I just assumed the bottles were the same age because they look a lot alike. My bottle was guessed by this forum to be '20s-mid '30s..

What is the difference when determining a bottle is '20s-30s or 40s?? Is it merely that enough is known about the history? Or is it something visible in the glass?
I think this cement has a different mold style now that I look closer...mine has the mold line clearly visible across the bottom and under the tubular pontil..and this one here seems to be "smooth based" with a pontil..can someone please learn me?

Thanks.

GuntherHess
10-26-2007, 08:22 PM
The best way to know when it was made is to research the product and see when it was manufactured. Dating based on the actual bottle style is often difficult since similar methods were used over long periods and different glass houses changed methods at different dates. You can make guesses based on font style, lip styles, etc but its not always very precise.

cowseatmaize
10-27-2007, 08:57 AM
Here's a master.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Hover-Phila-Aqua-Pint-Open-Pontil-Master-Ink-Aqua_ (http://cgi.ebay.com/Hover-Phila-Aqua-Pint-Open-Pontil-Master-Ink-Aqua_W0QQitemZ300163999122QQihZ020QQcategoryZ894QQ ssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

appliedlips
10-28-2007, 08:23 PM
Matt is correct the best way is research on the company.Your Moore's essence is one of the earliest embossed meds along with Turlington's and a couple others.Very few American pontilled medicines date to the 20's or earlier and not there are not many before the late 30's.Alot of the 30's and earlier meds are clear flint glass but there are no definates.I love digging prives because you get to learn so much just by the context in which stuff is dug.Doug

Oldtimer
10-29-2007, 07:13 PM
Thanks guys, very informative. I didn't know the Moore's was one of the first. I guess it was worth the $20..

dollarbill
10-30-2007, 12:56 AM
Hey thank for all the info guys .Speaking of Turlingtons heres one that came out of the same floor as the Hover

https://www.antique-bottles.net/upfiles/3826/81ADE7D18D3F4F3ABD26155F57D7E544.jpg

dollarbill
10-30-2007, 01:01 AM
Heres a shot of the bottom .open pontil right. So are these in the same age range or is the Turlingtons maybe a little older than the Hover. Thanks agian yall great.bill

https://www.antique-bottles.net/upfiles/3826/22E22FAE342E4DFA8FA8265BEFAFAB03.jpg

appliedlips
10-30-2007, 07:56 AM
Bill,

While Turlingtons' were one of the first embossed pontilled meds,they were made for alot of years in both pontilled and smooth bases.It is very hard to date an individual example.I would guess it is the same age as the rest.I would say they almost all date somewhere in the 1845-60 time frame including the American Oil and the Dr.Jayne's.Hope this helps

GuntherHess
10-30-2007, 08:51 AM
This is one of the earliest Turlington's I have seen. Hints are flint glass, sand chip pontil, 2 "L"s in Royal. I'm guessing 1820s-1830s but its hard to say for sure.

https://www.antique-bottles.net/upfiles/2973/AF0791619CDE425F8115F759F5F3F392.jpg

Oldtimer
10-30-2007, 09:33 AM
I would take one look at the top and say that was no where near the 1820s/30s....I'd have guessed late 60s...shows ya what I know.

Now, sand chips pontils...I saw a sand chip pontiled ink, cone, early aqua, rolled infold lip, and about 3" tall x 3" wide @ the base...the pontil covered almost all of the bottom...it was $35.00....what say you?

Road Dog
10-30-2007, 09:49 AM
ORIGINAL: GuntherHess

This is one of the earliest Turlington's I have seen. Hints are flint glass, sand chip pontil, 2 "L"s in Royal. I'm guessing 1820s-1830s but its hard to say for sure.

https://www.antique-bottles.net/upfiles/2973/AF0791619CDE425F8115F759F5F3F392.jpg
I sold 2 potil Flare lip Turlingtons on Ebay recently. The 2 L's can be found on 1880's versions as well. I think you're close with your date though.

GuntherHess
10-30-2007, 11:59 AM
Another clue is that one in the photo sold for close to $700 [;)]
I'd expect the earliest embossed bottles to be from Europe since they were still way ahead of us manufacturing wise in the first part of the 19th century.

Here is one of the later ones with the Royall spelling
http://cgi.ebay.com/Robert-Turlington-Balsam-of-Life-Bottle_W0QQitemZ190168336693QQihZ009QQcategoryZ895 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
I'm thinking it was done on purpose to try to re-live the feel of the original product.