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bamascavenger
12-04-2007, 06:06 PM
Asked seller about these "weapons"/ bottles and how many he had. Is he on the up and up? Or is it another repro scam? Link to sells; http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=360000969451&ssPageName=ADME:X:RTQ:US:1123

His letter; Dear bamascavenger,

We bought about 40 out of a Philadelphia maritime collection and recovered about a dozen diving.


- sirmarkw[/align]

tigue710
12-04-2007, 07:25 PM
that is the same freaking guy, it is a SCAM!

GuntherHess
12-04-2007, 07:31 PM
When you see people selling fake scrimshaw that's a good sign to RUN FOR THE HILLS[:D]

CALDIGR2
12-05-2007, 06:29 PM
SirMarkW(for wanker) is a rotten liar and a scammer who should be locked up for mail fraud. How he gets away with passing that crap off as "naval boarding weapons" is beyond me. I would love to shove one of those up his arse.[:@]

cc6pack
12-07-2007, 03:42 AM
Mike lets be civil here at least offer him some KY jelly before inserting[;)]

Here's the discussions that took place earlier on this jerk

https://www.antique-bottles.net/forum/searchpro.asp?phrase=sirmarkw&author=&forumid=ALL&topicreply=both&message=body&timeframe=%3E&timefilter=0&language=single&top=300&criteria=AND&minRank=0&sortMethod=r&submitbutton=+OK+

GuntherHess
12-08-2007, 11:38 PM
From what I have read grog was a mixed concoction of several ingrediants. It was not something that would have been bottled. The rum part of it would have been in a bottle or the beer part in a cask. His story seems to change like the wind.
Akin to the trackers of Big Foot, there is always an excuse for each piece of missing evidence. Extraordinary claims alway require extraordinary proof.

druggistnut
12-09-2007, 03:35 AM
I thought I had that guy gone from eBay.
OK, this is going to take some elbow grease.
ANYONE interested in helping, contact me.
I want to see him gone from eBay and possibly prosecuted. Go back through his 2000 plus feedbacks, you should see some interesting things.
I know there were several people on this site and another site who had it out with this clown.
Send me their names, if you would.
Bill

cowseatmaize
12-09-2007, 10:28 AM
Check out this headline, the rest isn't of any relevance.
http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/103-05222007-1350228.html

GuntherHess
12-09-2007, 11:26 AM
...he secretly sold off the museum's vast collection of naval boarding weapons....NOT[:D][:D][:D]

cc6pack
12-09-2007, 12:48 PM
About the only thing we can do is report the auction, there's a REPORT button at the bottom of every auction. There's a drop down menu for fraudulent listings. Maybe if everyone hits the button ebay may take notice, I'll also email a manager that handles collectibles to see if we can get help that way.

Example:


Enter item number(s):http://pics.ebaystatic.com/aw/pics/asteriskG_10x10.gif
360001895806
Up to 10 items separated by commas
(example: 1365609580, 1748176843)[/align]
[/align]Enter your question / concern:http://pics.ebaystatic.com/aw/pics/asteriskG_10x10.gif
seller canot prove the item is a grenade, and has sold many of these in the past. He has even stated that there were only a few found. Please contact someone that you trust that knows antique glass for an opinion.
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capsoda
12-09-2007, 02:58 PM
(an 1800s painting of one lying on the deck of a ship next to a cannon.) Yep, it was there cause the salior just empetied it when he saw that he was about to die by the sword of John LeFeet the bare foot pirate!!!!

Some people are just so ignorant that it hurts. Your supposed to through these things (with their 1/2 inch glass thickness) aganst a wooden ship and do what????? Dent it????? It would take a giant gorilla type dude to throw one hard enough to breake it against wood. [sm=rolleyes.gif] Cavet Emptor or Stupid!!!!

aridice53
02-29-2008, 08:25 PM
Hi All,
I found this topic fascinating, so I did a little research. Until I read these posts I had never heard of these "Boarding Weapons". and other than this guy's listings at Ebay, there's no other reference to them by that name (nor "Deck Sweepers") on the internet. But, the concept of exploding bottles is indeed viable.
If anyone's interested, here's what I found.....
http://books.google.com/books?id=GmQVan-M3ykC&pg=PA182&lpg=PA182&dq=crimean+war+grenades&source=web&ots=cTKEHG154V&sig=45uJ-G8Xe4gImP0Quq9i3y1mDjw&hl=en#PPA180,M1
page 180-183 covers the history of grenades, and yep, there were some made of glass. But it seems most were improvisation, not, the norm.
Found this reference I guess its an exact transcript of the letter, a little hard to understand):

In a letter to his sister, Colonel Robert Hugh Hibbert, described an improvised grenade used during the Crimean War (1854-1856): We have a new invention to irritate our friends in their pools. It consists of filling water bottles full of empty soda powder, twisted and old nails or other sharp cut you get at the moment, remains a little trailer in a fuse for lighting and then throwing quickly in the pit where our Rays neighbours, to his great annoyance. You can imagine his anger at seeing a bottle of water with gas are falling into a hole full of men with a little burning fuse far as proud as a veritable explosion of shell and burying itself in soft flesh.

And this is a reference to the Cofederates using bottles as grenades during the battle at Vicksburg.
http://www.historynet.com/magazines/american_civil_war/9647007.html

Interesting.....glass was used for this purpose but, it does seem that the preferred material was metal.

Char

JGUIS
03-01-2008, 04:52 AM
Everything I've read about glass "boarding weapons" wasn't grenades, but molotave cocktails. "A bottle full of rum, stuffed with a bit of cloth."

aridice53
03-01-2008, 06:58 AM
Josh,
If you read the "grenade" article, it refers to glass filled with flamable liquid, as well as powder and schrapnel. All of them were fused.
Aside from the guy selling them on ebay, there is no other reference to them being called "boarding weapons" or "deck sweepers"
They were designed to explode, not break on impact.

Char

GuntherHess
03-01-2008, 08:36 AM
If they did implement these grenades they would have used contemporary black glass spirit bottles not modern fantasy bottles.

kungfufighter
03-01-2008, 09:31 AM
Well said. Not only are the referenced bottles modern "junque" but in a more general sense, the notion that there were bottles specifically designed for such a purpose is pure and simple bunk.

tigue710
03-01-2008, 05:08 PM
not this guy again, again, again, again....

aridice53
03-02-2008, 12:27 AM
Hello All,
Look, I'm sorry if I've reopened a "can of worms" here.
I saw references to things call "deck sweepers" and "boarding weapons". I had never heard of such things. It piqued my curiousity. I did a bit of research on the internet and posted my findings. I am not arguing for or against this guy on ebay selling these things. I just found out about the use of glass in weaponry. Thats it.
I just posted it in case someone else might be curious.
Sorry!!!
Char

GuntherHess
03-02-2008, 09:49 AM
You have nothing to be sorry about.
We just dont like scam artists.
The more light shed on these people , the less they can survive.

tigue710
03-02-2008, 08:40 PM
they removed him at one point last year, but he was only suspended. He did his time and started right up again! guys a "thought he had a pubic hair till he pee'd out of it" puss ball...