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RED Matthews
04-28-2009, 11:51 PM
Hello to all of you. This is another subject that I have been working on for a few years. There has been a lot written, pictured and explained but there is still a lot of people that haven't had the opportunity to read and study all of them. Through 15 years of retirement I have spent some study time.
Never the less there are always bottle mysteries. So now I have decided to lay one on all of you. I am going to try and post two pictures of the bottom of two demijohns, that illustrate a strange pontil mark. The question is, have any of you had bottles with this type of pontil? I think both are involving some very old glass forming methods.

https://www.antique-bottles.net/upfiles/9846/110F9C927425435FB8F8D19B4E5F9D80.jpg

tigue710
04-29-2009, 12:07 AM
I do not believe that is a pontil Red, it looks like an abnormality in the gather. Is it a late 19th century European Demi?

cyberdigger
04-29-2009, 12:18 AM
Could it be a double pontil ..or pronged in some way?

RED Matthews
04-29-2009, 12:40 AM
Well to the three of you - I see I made a typo with the word pontil (ponto) wow - I guess I am getting tired.
Any the first pictured bottle will be on my desk in a few days. I have no clue to where it came from but it is coming to me from the West Coast.
The other one showed up with a friend of mine in the Netherlands. I do not understand why this bottom mark is so far from the seam line which goes across the bottom from the side seam.
More later - I just haven't any clues yet. RED Matthews

cyberdigger
04-29-2009, 12:44 AM
ORIGINAL: RED Matthews

I see I made a typo with the word pontil (ponto)



...that is easily repaired! [;)]

RED Matthews
04-29-2009, 10:00 PM
Another similar mark on the bottom of a bottle.

https://www.antique-bottles.net/upfiles/9846/700E5CFDD283449FADD8203011D2BCAC.jpg

JOETHECROW
04-29-2009, 11:49 PM
It kind of looks like they pinched a hole shut while the glass was hot. Joe

appliedlips
04-29-2009, 11:59 PM
I would agree with the others and say that neither is a pontil mark.. They do remind me of some of the odd "pinch" marks on TOC vinegar cruets..

glass man
04-30-2009, 12:37 AM
THANKS AS USUAL RED! NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE IT BEFORE EXCEPT ON SOME MARBLES AND IT IS CALLED DIAPER FOLD IF I AM NOT MISTAKEN. JAMIE