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GuntherHess
05-15-2009, 03:23 PM
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I always envisioned people chugging these big bitters like a Pepsi to get thier daily alcohol ration. This one has teaspoon graduations. You think that was actually used in practice or was it wishfull thinking / decoration?

ajohn
05-15-2009, 03:33 PM
Hey ,if one ounce is good then two ounces is BETTER!And if two oz's is better then I wonder how good three oz's are????

GuntherHess
05-15-2009, 07:53 PM
do any other bitters have dose graduations? Relatively few medicines did and they were typically prescribed in spoon doses on the labels.

cyberdigger
05-15-2009, 07:57 PM
I guess it would be a good bottle to have around the house if you're not sure which spoon is a tablespoon![;)]

tigue710
05-15-2009, 08:55 PM
I alwasys wondered about that myself. My bet is that the graduations were embossed on the bottle more as a way of making the bitters look like a genuine medicine. The propritor probably didnt even intend for people to use them! Mishlers is the only one I know of that has graduations in teaspoons, and they stayed on the bottle through many different vartiants over the years...

GuntherHess
05-15-2009, 10:38 PM
ya I figure it was a marketing gimmick

cyberdigger
05-15-2009, 10:43 PM
I wonder about the embossing on the base.. it seems "STOECKEL S GRAD" refers to the measurement markings, doesn't it? Perhaps Herr Stoeckel sold the idea to Herr Mischel?

LC
05-16-2009, 12:07 AM
The Mischler's Herb Bitters has embossed graduations on the bottle .

GuntherHess
05-16-2009, 12:40 AM
Mischler's Herb Bitters

I think I found some info on it.

There is an interesting book called A HISTORY OF DRUG CONTAINERS AND THIER LABELS. On page 36 it says " On 6 Feb 1866 , George W Stoeckel of Pittsburgh was granted a patent for the invention of a bottle with graduating marks molded into the surface of the glass during the manf of the bottle. In 1868 he advertised flint and blue green glass round -shouldered and french square graduated prescription bottles in one ot sixteen ounce sizes. The smooth base of Stoeckel's flint glass French squares were marked on the bottom PAT FEB 6 66. In addition to prescription use these bottles were used by S B Hartman & Co to market Mischler's herb bitters."

JOETHECROW
05-16-2009, 12:53 AM
Some pretty good research there Matt! Joe
(Interesting stuff)

cyberdigger
05-16-2009, 01:35 AM
I've sopped up hundreds of sticks but until this thread I never noticed this![:D]

https://www.antique-bottles.net/upfiles/10263/F3BBD0B92A4849118F799F4FA835021A.jpg

appliedlips
05-16-2009, 01:38 AM
We dig the clear, round ones with that embossing all of the time & once in awhile an aqua. I never related it to the same patent as the Mischler's. Cool info.

GuntherHess
05-16-2009, 10:13 AM
If you find another of the flint or aqua graduated ones let me know. I would be interested in trading for it or buying it.

appliedlips
05-16-2009, 10:48 PM
I'll send you one when I find one in my boxes or dig one.

GuntherHess
05-16-2009, 11:00 PM
cool

appliedlips
05-16-2009, 11:50 PM
Alright, you made me go look. Here is a picture of a couple you are welcome to.Thought I'd post to show what we were talking about. They clear one is not the ones I am used to seeing,they normally look like the aqua example.I am not sure what the unit of measurement is but I am sure you will know. Come to think of it,I think we see the squares too, so I'll keep a look out.I normally toss these without much thought. Now, after this discussion they are pretty interesting from a historical perspective.


https://www.antique-bottles.net/upfiles/3226/625A4FAAD3834F7FA3E82EC62A4960F9.jpg

appliedlips
05-16-2009, 11:52 PM
The bases. The aqua one is embossed G W S in the center of the patent date, the clear one is not.The aqua is an applied lip and the clear one is tooled.. They all seem to date to the late 60's early 70's based on context.

https://www.antique-bottles.net/upfiles/3226/4858D5D133E54BF9AD8990206B7661EB.jpg

GuntherHess
05-17-2009, 01:33 AM
I think they are interesting bottles. You dont see much in the way of graduations on bottles again until much later when all of a sudden you see a huge number (maybe after the patent expires?)

GuntherHess
05-17-2009, 11:09 AM
http://www.antiquemedicines.com/salepics/4038_1.JPG

I found this odd graduated bottle. It also appears to have early style graduations but I question whether it is american or even a medicine for that matter.