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dollarbill
06-17-2009, 01:58 AM
Hey all
Was wanting to know what type of bottom would this be called .Thanks for looking and any info all.
bill

https://www.antique-bottles.net/upfiles/3826/92B31B1A99E74F65A08CD3C4C4C12E85.jpg

glass man
06-17-2009, 06:42 AM
MAN IT LOOKS CRUDE BILL! WHAT DOES THE REST OF THE BOTTLE LOOK LIKE? RED WILL KNOW! JAMIE

tigue710
06-17-2009, 10:39 AM
Bill, is there a diagonal line across the base? Its hard to tell in the pictures... If so, and what I'm seeing is not just a play of light, then it looks like you have a diagonal hinge mold or snap case, or possibly key mold because it sorta of looks like the mold line "pin wheels" over to the corners...... As for the dot, its pretty much just there to throw you off! Could be a deformed dimple from a vent or some type of alteration or repair. Usually when you have a mark like that its better to disregard it in consideration of the mold.

If I'm just making it all up and there are not any mold lines across the base, then you should find a mold line running all the way around the base, about 1/8 or 3/16 of an inch up the bottle, making it a cup mold...

GuntherHess
06-17-2009, 12:00 PM
its so distorted better to see the rest of bottle first.

tigue710
06-17-2009, 01:40 PM
its the Zanesville flask fella's

https://www.antique-bottles.net/forum/Zanesville-city-glass-works-flask/m-231211/tm.htm

dollarbill
06-17-2009, 05:02 PM
Hey all
No seam on the botton that I can see .The pic really has no distortion thats the way the bottom really looks Gunther .Its rough and has a bit of a bulge to it in the center making the bottle rock a bit . Heres a pic looking at it in the light .And yes it's the Zanesville flask .

https://www.antique-bottles.net/upfiles/3826/FDAD8C6FA5B24E8280E0B59C4450CC3A.jpg

dollarbill
06-17-2009, 05:18 PM
A view looking across the bottom were you can see the rolling .

https://www.antique-bottles.net/upfiles/3826/EA14D469FA5242BD8E340BAEBFA94C98.jpg

dollarbill
06-17-2009, 05:22 PM
Pic of the seam on the neck going into the strap on the side .Thank agian all for looking and any info and comments .
bill

https://www.antique-bottles.net/upfiles/3826/C8C65A6E0F3840B3B0481E0AE000C0DC.jpg

GuntherHess
06-17-2009, 05:36 PM
I'm going to say a cup mold with a bottom section that was in poor shape.

GuntherHess
06-17-2009, 05:44 PM
maybe... I'd like to see another example with better defined seams.

RED Matthews
06-17-2009, 05:44 PM
Hello all of you. I have found that soime molds were vented by a round hole drilled in the bottom of the mold and a dowel that was relieved by three flats on the sides of the length of it. When tapped into the hole it provided three air release vents in the circle. Just a thought from what I observed. Obviously that is an early and neat old bottle.
RED Matthews

tigue710
06-17-2009, 06:13 PM
Reds on the mark considering the dimple I'd say, Bill if you look very closely I believe your going to see a mold line like I've shown below, making the mold an odd type of keyed hinge mold that was used on some mid western flask during and after the civil war period... I do not see evidence of a cup mold, and it would be a very early use of that type of mold...






https://www.antique-bottles.net/upfiles/8276/68E1F0E600A34E6DA70452A4344E30C5.jpg

GuntherHess
06-17-2009, 06:24 PM
There are definately cup molds used earlier than that but you are right they wouldnt be common on a flask like that. I can believe it just has an obscurred mold line.

dollarbill
06-17-2009, 08:06 PM
So would you guess the bottom of the bottle was handeled while it was still very hot and soft causing the mold line to be obscurred . It does almost feel like a thumb print on one side of the bottom .Also was wondering what caused this crease in the sholder.Wanted to thank you all for your input too.
bill

https://www.antique-bottles.net/upfiles/3826/FFAC39CD8F22403A956093724E5B307A.jpg

tigue710
06-17-2009, 08:33 PM
Ive seen a few bottles that had the mold lines practically erased, but normally this was from either being in a dump that was burnt, although it could of been reheated or the gather could of been too cool... If I hadn't seen similar mold lines I wouldn't of even guessed it, but there are molds that had a weird zig zag like that, if you look close you can see it in the pic... Ive always guessed they were from a re-worked mold, but that is just speculation...

the fold in the shoulder is probably from the glass catching in the mold and folding in on its self Bill, seems to happen every now and then on strap flasks in particular...

cyberdigger
06-17-2009, 08:48 PM
I think the guys in that video skipped the parison step..

appliedlips
06-17-2009, 10:34 PM
Here is a picture of one of the ones I have. The molds are on the edges of the seams just like a typical diagonal hinge mold but no seams are visible on the base. It also has the circular vent mark in the center although it didn't photo real well.. All I have seen, including the amber ones have had this mark.
Jason has another one of mine he is cleaning maybe he can see if there are any mold marks on the base..Lobey, they date to the late 1860's.

https://www.antique-bottles.net/upfiles/3226/4CA0656780004E00A98DED1919367B7B.jpg

RED Matthews
06-17-2009, 11:22 PM
Hello again dollarbill, I am looking at the picture of that mark on the shoulder rib. I can't decide from the picture if it is a nick that goes down in the rib, or just how the glass was moved. It looks to me like it is pushed in, and if so I think it was formed by a tool that slipped into the pliable glass when the finish glass was being applied. Obviously the bottle had to have been held with a snap case for the applied glass operation.
RED Matthews

tigue710
06-18-2009, 12:51 AM
ORIGINAL: appliedlips

Here is a picture of one of the ones I have. The molds are on the edges of the seams just like a typical diagonal hinge mold but no seams are visible on the base. It also has the circular vent mark in the center although it didn't photo real well.. All I have seen, including the amber ones have had this mark.
Jason has another one of mine he is cleaning maybe he can see if there are any mold marks on the base..Lobey, they date to the late 1860's.

https://www.antique-bottles.net/upfiles/3226/4CA0656780004E00A98DED1919367B7B.jpg


Doug, you have seen the mold mark I'm talking about right? It bothers me because I have a flask with the same exact mold line packed up but my collection is 150 miles awy right now!

can you get a glare shot with flash of your base? I doubt there was more then one mold for these bottles...