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whiskeyman
06-01-2005, 10:52 PM
Here's a few in my collection...

https://www.antique-bottles.net/upfiles/3703/Qo41490.jpg

whiskeyman
06-01-2005, 10:52 PM
and more...

https://www.antique-bottles.net/upfiles/3703/Ay73738.jpg

whiskeyman
06-01-2005, 11:00 PM
1st pic...top shelf...on the left are Clevenger Bros examples with the St. embossing.
On the right are ones with ST.
The aqua center Booz is a bi-centennial issue....1776-1976

bottom shelf: all Boozs bottles made in Italy in the 1960's.

2nd pic...top shelf...Albany Glass Works repos.
bottom shelf...Wheaton Booz bottles from the 1970's on the left.
next is a Wheaton blue Paul Revere cabin, then,
2 amber Booz made at Armstrong Glass co for Old Mr Boston Whiskey.
Last is a new cobalt Booz made in China.

Trying not to break it
06-02-2005, 12:24 AM
hey whiskyman, NICE love the colors in the 2nd picture, rhona

Bluebelle
06-02-2005, 11:40 AM
Oh, Yum! I love my dug bottles, but I am also very fond of my Wheatons and Clevengers that I picked up for practically nothing at flea markets etc. I really like the colors, the texture of the glass and their proportions. Anybody ever visit the Wheaton Glass villiage and museum in Millville, NJ? It was quite a while since I was there, but they had many old fine bottles. Long ago, I once was visiting another bottle and glass forum, and the people there actually were nasty and made fun of me when I mentioned Wheatons. The wonderful thing about this board is the total lack of snobbery! [:D]

BRIAN S.
06-02-2005, 07:38 PM
Hi Bluebelle !
We wouldn't knock you for collecting what you like ! Everybody likes something different , that's why they make Chocolate and Vanilla !
I personally have a few Wheatons stuck around somewhere and often wondered how many different bottles they make.
I like the Clevenger's also. Some of these early Clevenger's are really good repro's and it takes a well trained eye to spot the Repro's from the originals.
Hey , we won't trash you here for collecting what you like that's for sure !
HAPPY COLLECTING ! Brian

whiskeyman
06-02-2005, 09:53 PM
Clevenger items are very collectible. Tom Haunton wrote a book on the Booz cabins....(he sells it on Ebay)...He assigned McKearin Numbers to all known variants....real & repo. The book comes with a CD....
There is also a catalog of the Clevenger Glass in the Wheaton Museum. Tom sells that too.


Wheaton made a repo of about every category of bottle there is: medicines, cures, bitters, historical flasks, inks, whiskey, in addition to their Presidential series, Astronaut series, Holly City bottles, and on & on...

whiskeyman
06-04-2005, 12:36 PM
Are the repos worth anything?
You betcha...
Heres' a completed auction on Ebay...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6178300654&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1

whiskeyman
06-04-2005, 12:37 PM
and another for a lot of 11...This was a great buy for the winner..

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6178569628&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1

whosyerdaddy
06-04-2005, 01:29 PM
WHISKEYMAN, think i heard one time the way 2 tell the difference on the boozs is the corners on the roofs was i rite ???? whosyer !!

BRIAN S.
06-04-2005, 05:32 PM
Whoser .... yes it is one of the tell tale signs , if you have the chamfered corner roof variant ( GVII-4 ). The chamfered roof corner does not get into the second row of shingles on the original.
Do a search here on the forum of E.G. Booz ( a lot of the info I used was from Tom Haunton which whiskeyman had mentioned in his post ), as we had quite a disscussion on the authentic and the repro some time back. When I fell just short of an argument with a person that didn't want to believe that the Booz he had bought was a repro. I presented all the facts and I think he still thought he had an original..... I guess it was hard to swallow finding out that he had laid down all those $$$ for a repro. It wouldn't be the first time this happened with a BOOZ .

Charlie do you know Jim Mitchell out of Florida ? I'm sure you probably do as he dabbles in Whiskies. He bought a whole collection of Clevenger Booz's at the Sarasota , Florida Show a few years back. Probably 60 or so Booz's . Guess what he found that the owner did not see..... An original Booz was amongst them..... And he sold it at Denver Show for more than he had given for the whole grouping of 60. They are hard to catch sometimes and apparently the owner didn't even know he was sitting on a original.
Brian

whiskeyman
06-04-2005, 08:23 PM
BRIAN...I do know Jim , but hadn't heard about this...


WHOS...the repos are also lacking the period after St.
(small t)...and many are embossed with ST.

There's quite a few repo variations out there, beginning in the 1920's and up to the modern one from China.

Clevenger Bros made the earliest ones with both a straight roof ridge and with chamfered roof corners. Some of their most recent ones are marked with a CB. Earlier ones just had a paper label IDing them as from Clevenger Bros Glass Works. Most Clevenger Bros cabins have the St. embossing.
They also made some for the Bi-Centennial which are more "adaptations' than repos. They are embossed with assorted motifs and 1776-1976.

There is a group of cabins made by possibly Clevenger or maybe someone else. They have longer necks (usually) and the ST embossing.

Next are the ones made by Armstrong Glass Co for Old Mister Boston whiskey...They have the Fed.Law Forbids,etc, motto upon them. They are ABM

Next , I guess were the Booze Bottles...made in Italy back in the 1960s'. The base is marked Booze Bottle. These appear to be BIM, until one looks closely and sees the neck seam is 90 degrees from the side seams...an indication an early Owens bottle making machine was used.

Then. we have the Wheatons made beginning about 1970...they are marked Nuline or Wheaton...and are ABM

Lastly are the ones made in China. The seam is on the front/back of the cabin and not upon the sides and the neck is unusual in that it does not blend with the roof ridge but has slight indentations to either side....

BRIAN S.
06-04-2005, 09:24 PM
Charlie .... this was several years back. I over heard Ed Herrold say Jim sold the Booz at the Expo in Denver .
And Charlie ...... Tom also mentioned that some of the originals have also been found with the period missing. Due to an underblown mold or a dirty mold. So people should not rely on just one tell tale sign to indentify the originals. The period is the most common method used by most collectors......but it's not always reliable.
I believe the Booz bottle was the most reproduced bottle . There's a lot of repros out there by quite a few different companies.
Brian

whiskeyman
06-05-2005, 02:58 AM
BRIAN..you're correct about the period being unreliable. I was pulling stuff outta my head instead of referencing Haunton's book,,,(yeah, I have it...LOL)...too lazy to get it out & read...ie..quote from. Bad me.


I 'd say you're also correct about the Booz bottle being the one most widely reproduced. Next, I would guess ,would be the Washington/Father of His Country-General Taylor flasks...basing this on how many I have seen or owned over the years.

Just looked around at my display case and decided to withdraw that and instead substitute scroll flasks...There's one Italian repo and different groupings of Clevenger's...some were made with slug plates and commemorate different events in our history. One I have was made for the FOHBC years ago. And there was the set issued for the Bi-Centennial. I see others all the time on Ebay.

Many of these would fall in the "adaptation" classification as they aren't actually repos...But the "old" mold was reworked/adapted to produce a different flask that could not be mistaken for a repo...so, maybe my 1st comment about the 2nd most reproduced bottle was correct. The Washngton/Taylors could fool the novice easily and they haven't been adapted in any other way.

whiskeyman
07-03-2005, 02:32 AM
This is a recent Booz repo made in China. Note: the neck does not blend into the roofline...Seams also are on the front & back...Machine made.

https://www.antique-bottles.net/upfiles/3703/Jh15352.jpg

whiskeyman
07-03-2005, 02:33 AM
this is a Clevenger Bros...1776-1976 Booz. Blown in Mold.

https://www.antique-bottles.net/upfiles/3703/Nl28883.jpg

whiskeyman
07-03-2005, 02:34 AM
Here are two Armstrong Glass Company Booz bottles...circa 1950's...They have Fed Law Forbids,etc...Machine made.

https://www.antique-bottles.net/upfiles/3703/Lj21629.jpg

whiskeyman
07-03-2005, 02:35 AM
Here's another label for the Armstrong Booz...

https://www.antique-bottles.net/upfiles/3703/Eb87069.jpg

whiskeyman
07-03-2005, 02:49 AM
These 4 Booz Cabins are all made by Wheaton...although 3 have the "Nuline" base embossing....The amethyst one has "Wheaton." Circa 1970s....Machine made.

https://www.antique-bottles.net/upfiles/3703/Fc90095.jpg

whiskeyman
07-03-2005, 02:49 AM
While not a Booz, this is a "cabin" and made by Wheaton back in the 1970s....

https://www.antique-bottles.net/upfiles/3703/By76292.jpg

whiskeyman
07-03-2005, 03:09 AM
Given that the original Whitney Booz cabins were Blown In Mold...then which (if any) of the above are reproductions?


My opinion: none.

whiskeyman
07-09-2005, 01:38 PM
Italy made ...base embossed "Booze Bottle".
Machine made...

https://www.antique-bottles.net/upfiles/3703/Rp44006.jpg

whiskeyman
07-09-2005, 01:39 PM
more "Booze Bottles"

https://www.antique-bottles.net/upfiles/3703/Om34607.jpg

whiskeyman
07-09-2005, 01:40 PM
Repos with "ST" instead of "St"
maker unknown....BIM
These are embossed: E.C Booz

https://www.antique-bottles.net/upfiles/3703/Zx71995.jpg

whiskeyman
07-09-2005, 01:40 PM
more "ST"

https://www.antique-bottles.net/upfiles/3703/Ca81916.jpg

whiskeyman
07-09-2005, 01:42 PM
Clevenger Bros...Repos...

https://www.antique-bottles.net/upfiles/3703/Rp43524.jpg

whiskeyman
07-09-2005, 01:43 PM
Clevenger Bros repos and one adaptation...2nd from right is a Bi-Centennial Commemorative.

https://www.antique-bottles.net/upfiles/3703/Ge96022.jpg

whiskeyman
08-07-2005, 02:32 AM
For comparison: a cobalt blue ABM Italian Booze bottle and an emerald green BIM E.C.Booz with the ST. embossing. Note longer neck on the green cabin.

https://www.antique-bottles.net/upfiles/3703/Sq47535.jpg

was sittin' here & lookin' at the pic and it seemed the green wasn't as wide as the blue. So, I got out my measurin' tape and sure nuff - it's almost 1/8 of an inch smaller. Depth and height are the same.