PDA

View Full Version : NEED HELP ON BITTERS BOTTLE



crozet86
03-08-2004, 11:33 PM
Hi,
my next door neighbor came over this afternoon with a bitters bottle he found at a house he just purchased.It's called 'Chartreuse Damiana'.it is from New York,amber and 9.5" tall.I cant find it in any of my books.Wi sh i had a camera for a pic but i dont sorry.

Eddie

Bluegrass
03-09-2004, 12:24 AM
I think that's more likely to be a liquour bottle as Chartreuse is a french liqueur-- yellowy green stuff-- that's been produced for well over a hundred years. I'm guessing it would date to about 1900 (if it's a corker), though, for all I know, they still cork it today. Without seeing it, it's hard to tell.

John.

crozet86
03-09-2004, 12:30 AM
Hi bluegrass,
this bottle actually says Bitters on it.IT is id figure to be about 1880 or 1890.

Eddie

David E Dearden
03-09-2004, 01:08 AM
Damiana Bitters Bottle Manufactured Ca.1877 to 1885, shoulder embosing was terminated between 1886 and 1890. Henry Weyl (location uknown) produced the bitters for three years before selling the brand to Lewis Hess in 1876. Offices were located at 317 Broadway, New York.

Have no information on the first name used or what bottle is worth.

BRIAN S.
03-09-2004, 01:59 AM
CHARTREUSE / DAMIANA / BITTERS / NEW YORK , Ring & Ham's C - 132
There are 2 examples that sold thru Heckler's Auctions according to William Browns Auction report.
03/92 Reddish Amber , smooth base , Applied sloping collared mouth , 1" mouth crack , 3 pinhead body bruises. $ 55.00
10/95 Deep Golden Amber , Smooth base , Applied sloping collared mouth , Professionally cleaned , 1/4" potstone bruise on reverse. $ 220.00

crozet86
03-09-2004, 08:52 AM
Hi,
Thanks alot for all the info!ILL double check the color again later today but im sure it is a golden amber not the reddish amber.Neighbor should be pleasently surprised about
the value either way.Again, thanks alot.

Eddie

Flaschenjager
03-09-2004, 11:38 AM
Hi Eddie,
This is one listing I have on page 24 of Digger Odell's - Volume Two, Bitters

166. CHANTEUSE / DAMIANA / BITTERS / NEW YORK, (C-132), yellow amber, 9 3/8", smooth base, ground wear, outside stain, $90, (1990).

Flaschenjager
03-09-2004, 11:50 AM
David E Dearden -
I think the one you are describing are these I found listed in Odell's book also.

227. DAMIANA BITTERS -BAJA CALIFORNIA - (8 pointed star), (D-4), aqua, 11 5/8", smooth base, 95% label, $160, (1996).

228. DAMIANA BITTERS -BAJA CALIFORNIA - LEWIS HESS - MANUF'R, (D-5), aqua, 11 5/8", smooth base, about perfect, $75, (1992).

I can see how there may be some confusion between the two.

Harry Pristis
03-09-2004, 01:18 PM
Sooo....which is it, "chanteuse" or "chartreuse"??? They can't both be C-132, can they?

"Chanteuse" is French for a female singer. "Chartreuse" is both a color and a liqueur.

BRIAN S.
03-09-2004, 09:16 PM
According to Ring & Ham's Bitters Bottles the C-132 is CHARTREUSE with a " R " and not a " N " !

crozet86
03-09-2004, 10:52 PM
Hi,
I went back to my friends and double checked the bottle and my spelling and it is spelled CHARTREUSE DAMIANA.That is the way i spelled it on my first post.Sorry if there was any confusion.

Eddie

Flaschenjager
03-10-2004, 01:42 AM
Well..............
After further review, this was how it was spelled in Odell's book... "CHANTEUSE" That still doesn't mean it's correct, so I checked some other books.

The Official Price Guide to Bottles - Thirteenth Edition- by Jim Megura lists it as this:
Chartreuse Damiana Bitters, C-132, 8 3/4" amber.......$50-$65

Kovels' Bottles Price List 12th Edition lists it as this:
Chartreuse Damiana, New York, yellow amber, 4 indented panels, R C-132, 9 1/4" .......$300

I talked to Eddie on the phone this morning, and gave him these additional listings. I just thought everyone else here would be interested as well. It seems like many bottles, that there can be a wide range in value for certain bottle types, such as this C-132.

David E Dearden
03-10-2004, 09:36 AM
More I don't add every thing into my replies as they are quite long and somethings may not mean anything to everbody, so I will post as read.
(Shoulder: Hl MANUFR/(lv)
DAMIANA BITTERS/ (sholder:h)
LEWIS HESS/ (v)BAJA
CALIFORNIA (base:8 -Point star)
See (Figure 22)
Botttle manufactured Ca. 1877 to 1885 ;
shoulder embosing was terminated between
1886 and 1890. Henry Weyl (location unk)
produced the bitters for three years
before selling the brand to Lewis Hess
in 1876. Offices were located at 317
Broadway, New York and San Francisco
Hess sold the firm to Naber; Alfs and Brune of
San Francisco in 1890 (Ring 1980); Wilson and Wilson 1969}
Adv. 1917; BD Aqua 11 5/8" X 2 3/4" diameter: 12n:
20b; pl: v.h. fb.

One would assume that although the above bottle does not match posters, that with all the dates and name changes it would be the same product in a diferent bottle, but then should one assume.