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Steve/sewell
08-21-2011, 06:22 PM
Well I have all the Mckearin charted GII-72 flasks now.The latest edition turned out out be the GII-72a.
There are differences between the three flasks to help the collector to identify them from each other.
The GII-72 and the GII-72a are the exact same mold with the only difference being the GII-72a has an X
on the Cornucopia side near the medial ribbing.

The GII-72b is an entirely different mold, wider at all points, the medial rib is pointy not rounded as on the
GII-72 and the GII_72a.The GII72a and The GII-72b each have an X next to the Cornucopia but it is located
just above the tail closer to the center of the flask on the GII-72b not off to the side of the tail near the ribs
as it is on the GII-72a.The X on the GII-72b is positioned differently as it is tilted not laid on as you and I would
write a traditional X.


From left to right the the eagle side of the flasks.First the olive amber colored GII-72,next the olive amber
GII-72a and last the dark green with a little olive amber GII-72b.The GII-72 and 72a bottles are fairly light
in weight.There are medial ribs encircling the sides of all three bottles and there are rough pontil marks
on all of them.The GII-72 is listed as common by Mckearin in their charted flasks. The GII-72a is listed
as scarce and the GII-72b is listed as rare.

Mike (Earlyglass) do you have this series also? Tom Bottlehead9 could you post your bottle again please thanks.

https://www.antique-bottles.net/upfiles/12005/BC8B2644DD484F669E391527A05DEBAE.jpg

Steve/sewell
08-21-2011, 06:24 PM
2. The Cornucopia side of the flasks.

https://www.antique-bottles.net/upfiles/12005/1C9BD124E8234E50BB2FD7326CDD0D5F.jpg

Steve/sewell
08-21-2011, 06:25 PM
The GII-72 Eagle side.

https://www.antique-bottles.net/upfiles/12005/1E6A21E9D47544B987931D2317D8B150.jpg

Steve/sewell
08-21-2011, 06:26 PM
The GII-72a Eagle side.

https://www.antique-bottles.net/upfiles/12005/3C9DD23A5B9342B18571CE6C6CC0AC29.jpg

Steve/sewell
08-21-2011, 06:27 PM
The GII-72b Eagle side.

https://www.antique-bottles.net/upfiles/12005/473D5E59749F4B5B91060D2191FA3B10.jpg

Steve/sewell
08-21-2011, 06:28 PM
The GII-72 Cornucopia side.

https://www.antique-bottles.net/upfiles/12005/A658B17E1B5D4BC1AF35C4AA7F210D07.jpg

Steve/sewell
08-21-2011, 06:28 PM
The GII-72a Cornucopia side.

https://www.antique-bottles.net/upfiles/12005/0BBA8767A0964C6F9DAA6CA26D1B4B71.jpg

Steve/sewell
08-21-2011, 06:29 PM
The GII-72b Cornucopia side.

https://www.antique-bottles.net/upfiles/12005/85E0B2FD242A444C8DAF1640C084D8F0.jpg

Steve/sewell
08-21-2011, 06:30 PM
The pontil markon the GII-72

https://www.antique-bottles.net/upfiles/12005/A35D75765C33469896C44F97167F037C.jpg

Steve/sewell
08-21-2011, 06:30 PM
The pontil markon the GII-72a.

https://www.antique-bottles.net/upfiles/12005/07E35AB212574922A52625339CEBDD24.jpg

Steve/sewell
08-21-2011, 06:32 PM
The pontil markon the GII-72b.You can see this is the only one that is dove tailed or keyed.

https://www.antique-bottles.net/upfiles/12005/C265B78CDF974E87881F7524B3C27428.jpg

Steve/sewell
08-21-2011, 06:36 PM
The GII-72a on the left and the GII-72b on the right each have an X near the Cornucopia tail,but as you can see
they are postioned and located in two very different spots on each bottle.

https://www.antique-bottles.net/upfiles/12005/5687A86144D14224BD66FB1034588A5F.jpg

Steve/sewell
08-21-2011, 06:38 PM
Here are the Xs marked in light pink it is easy to see the difference now dont you think.

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Steve/sewell
08-21-2011, 06:49 PM
What would a post be without Reds input.The GII-72a my latest aqusition has a neat feature a large 2 inch long pinch of glass
located acros the Eagles talons when viewed tradionally from the outside.It looks like a mold line or a tree branch maybe for the
Eagle to be resting on. A closer look tells a different story however as you can see the flap of glass on the inside of the bottle when
viewing it straight down the mouth.

This was probably a pinch from the bottom of the mold as it is straight across left to right.This pinch instead of oozing out the bottom
of the gather across the base seam oozed or protruded inwardly inside the mold. As the gather expanded I envision the pinch migrating
northward in the mold and somehow it maintained its shape and settled onto the reverse of the Eagles Talons.

https://www.antique-bottles.net/upfiles/12005/196F291DC61A42648EEC3357402502F8.jpg

Steve/sewell
08-21-2011, 06:52 PM
The pinch as it appears looking inside and straight down the front wall of the Eagle.

https://www.antique-bottles.net/upfiles/12005/011957B588FC4CB69EC7DCAD4E5EAD0D.jpg

Steve/sewell
08-21-2011, 06:53 PM
The same picture with the pinch high lighted in pink.I am going to post this bottle also in the Bottles section of the forum.

https://www.antique-bottles.net/upfiles/12005/7F58D8376662452EB7BD1D9420696CBC.jpg

epackage
08-22-2011, 07:46 AM
Always the most informative posts with even better pic's and detail....thanx Steve as always....Jim

nhpharm
08-22-2011, 04:00 PM
I was once told that those "pinches" were something done by the glassblower with a tool to strengthen a particularly thin area of the bottle. I have a small double eagle flask with the same pinch in a very thin part of the bottle and it is a perfectly straight line, which made me think that explanation might have some validity.

earlyglass
08-22-2011, 11:54 PM
Steve,

I haven't been around on the site lately, but I like this post illustrating the mold variations of this fairly common New England flask. I think you have clearly illustrated some of the differences. I have had many examples of these over the years, but found myself interested in some of rare color variations of these flasks. Don't forget the 74... it is a close cousin, and comes in some of the best colors. The 75 (Pantaloon) is all together different but the most impressive of the bunch in person... if you can find one!

Mike

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earlyglass
08-22-2011, 11:54 PM
The pantaloon!

https://www.antique-bottles.net/upfiles/3014/6EEAF29DBDF9446F8603AA1281B1EAC2.jpg

earlyglass
08-22-2011, 11:55 PM
By the way, your photos look great Steve!

Mike

GuntherHess
08-23-2011, 12:02 AM
I was once told that those "pinches" were something done by the glassblower with a tool to strengthen a particularly thin area of the bottle. I have a small double eagle flask with the same pinch in a very thin part of the bottle and it is a perfectly straight line, which made me think that explanation might have some validity.

glass blowers will cool an area of glass on the bubble if they see it is getting too thin. THat causes the thicker hotter side if the glass to expand more.

Steve/sewell
08-23-2011, 12:13 AM
Thanks Mike,Ill post the aqua colored one as soon as I have it.Thanks NHpharm and Gunther for your input.It is either a mold pinch or a stab with a wide edge blade of some sort.It matces in length pretty close the mold seem on the bottom.

Steve/sewell
08-23-2011, 01:40 AM
Mike I forgot to ask you,and I have seen this twice in your picture now.None of the bottles I have posted have three medial ribs,they have one large one in the center at the halfway point.The next area you might call a rib are the double lined portrait oval's surrounding the Eagle and the Cornucopia.I noticed all of the flasks in your picture have one larger medial seam. Starting with the left most flask the bright green one it appears to have 1 large medial rib and two oval portrait seams surrounding the Eagle. On flasks 2,3,and 4 they also have a large medial rib but only have one portrait oval line surrounding the Eagle and the Cornucopia.Mckearin states that the GII-72 series and the GII-73 series each share 3 medial ribs.THis is hard to fathom as if you are going to count what I would call the portrait seams there would be 5 total ribs on the GII-72 and 73 bottles.McKearin describes the GII-74 the bottles you pictured as having a smooth medial area no ribbing.It looks like your bottles have at least 1 large medial rib like mine and bottles 1 ,5 and 6.have 2 portrait ovals and bottle 2,3,and 4 Have 1 large medial rib and 1 portrait oval

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RED Matthews
08-23-2011, 06:37 PM
Steve and others; In my homepage under demijohns I have pictured some marks that created a line form in the sidewalls. These are called “folds” as far as I know; they were created when the parison was too hot in an area; where the bottle-maker touched the parison form with a wet wooden blade tool. It cooled the zone and created a chilled portion on glass similar to what this is in your bottle. This is similar to what phpharm, was talking about I think. RED Matthews.

Steve/sewell
08-23-2011, 06:46 PM
Good information Red,Ill let you know my schedule for the rest of this month and September to see if a trip up your way would fit in.Thanks for checking in. Steve

Steve/sewell
09-11-2011, 12:03 AM
I believe I may have solved some of the mystery surrounding bottlehead9s GII-73a bottle and my GII-72b which are very similar minus a couple of details.The base on each of our bottles are nearly identical as the mold that was used was keyed or dovetailed in look. The larger half of each of our bottles on the base was the Cornucopia side.The larger half of the whole bottle was the Eagle side which included the whole center medial rib. Toms bottle like I stated earlier is the GII-73a .

I believe I have found the missing link as I have a bottle here which is a recent eBay pickup which fits Mc'kearins description of the GII-73 to a T. The only difference between the 73 and the 73a is the keyed mold on the base of the GII-73a ,so I thought as did also the Mc'kearins and other glass historians.While this is true, it is how it arrived that way which I find fascinating.The Cornucopia on the GII-72b and the GII-73 and the GII-73a are exactly the same coming from the same mold.The first difference between these bottles is the shield on the Eagle.There are horizontal lines or bars at the top of the shield on the GII-73 and GII-73a On the GII-72b this same area is smooth and the scallops at the top of the shield are taller and even where on the GII-73 and 73a the points are separated by two long flat areas.

I have in my collection now an aqua colored GII-73.The base is not keyed but the rest of the bottle matches up perfectly with Toms GII-73a.Here is the neat part I discovered.The mold on the base of this aqua bottle was altered as it travels diagonally slightly from one medial rib on one side of the bottle through the pontil and into the other medial rib on the other side of the bottle. You can see grinding marks and other rough areas along with the faint brush type marks.the bottom on this bottle is all over the map in look.

The next part I discovered was the bottle was shortened to achieve this as although the Cornucopias are exactly the same on all three bottles on this aqua GII-73 the area below the bottom of the cornucopia is much closer to the very bottom of the bottle.I believe now the keyed mold was eliminated for an easier to use type of mold which was two equal halves.One other neat aspect,the mold used for the Eagle on both the GII-73 and the GII-73a were exactly the same at one time until the alteration changed this also by shortening in overall height the GII-73 Eagle.Tom one difference in our two bottles on the Eagle side is although they look strikingly similar the size of the Eagles head and the overall width of the eagles are different on each bottle.

In conclusion I feel your bottle Tom the GII-73a and my bottle the GII-72b were made at the same mold shop or by the same person.I also feel it is quite likely that the mold alteration occurred at the same shop or glass works later in time simply because of all the extra effort to close a dove tailed mold was very cumbersome.Here are the pictures of the aqua GII-73

https://www.antique-bottles.net/upfiles/12005/EB34DA8207494AE5A1045A8234BB85D9.jpg

Steve/sewell
09-11-2011, 12:04 AM
2.

https://www.antique-bottles.net/upfiles/12005/46FF2DDC895640D5920B44AC2BC9FC70.jpg

Steve/sewell
09-11-2011, 12:06 AM
3.Notice the tilted X at the lower left of the Cornucopia tail.

https://www.antique-bottles.net/upfiles/12005/091A0CF998B6453997798B37E7049687.jpg

Steve/sewell
09-11-2011, 12:08 AM
4.You can see the very small potstones in the X to the left of the tail.

https://www.antique-bottles.net/upfiles/12005/E9ABEB398DAF4BB1A7DF4ECCBCA39C02.jpg

Steve/sewell
09-11-2011, 12:10 AM
5.

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Steve/sewell
09-11-2011, 12:20 AM
6.Here is the base void of the dovetail..Look how wide the seam is on the bottom.You can also see the brush marks in the mold seam.How would they have altered the bottom with out welding capabilities is baffling to me.A hollow blow pipe type of pontil mark also suggesting the Dr. Dyott method of
of empontiling saving a second step of placing a new solid rod on the bottom before putting the bottle into the annealing oven instead using the very blowpipe which created the bottle as the holder of the bottle in the annealing oven.This tells me output was now driving this manufacturer more then when the dovetail mold was used.


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Steve/sewell
09-11-2011, 12:23 AM
7. Another picture of the bottom. Look how wide the center seam is.

https://www.antique-bottles.net/upfiles/12005/A91811CACD8C4B9DBC3F7878A1FA94C4.jpg

Steve/sewell
09-11-2011, 12:25 AM
8.Another close up.This base is a mess

https://www.antique-bottles.net/upfiles/12005/23A0DF794C614518ACEB90BD6B96B99D.jpg

Steve/sewell
09-11-2011, 12:30 AM
Here is what the base originally looked like before the alteration.You can see the keyed or dovetailing very clearly.





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Steve/sewell
09-11-2011, 12:34 AM
The GII-72b and the GII-73 side by side.Look at how much thicker the olive green GII-72b is after the mold alteration.I believe the alteration narrowed each half of the bottle.

https://www.antique-bottles.net/upfiles/12005/E3C2E6E4A7924AD6A9080D814E7D4F9A.jpg

Steve/sewell
09-11-2011, 12:37 AM
Eagle side to Eagle side.See how the alteration changed the overall height plus the shape at the beginning of the neck on the aqua GII-73 bottle.

https://www.antique-bottles.net/upfiles/12005/C946C9B58F174D52B82861E4E2AD1727.jpg

Ohiosulator
05-17-2012, 02:55 PM
I thought I would Bump this and add my GI-72a.


The x is really unusual and make you wonder its meaning

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Steve/sewell
05-17-2012, 08:52 PM
You take some nice pictures Cody. Great flask good color.

epackage
05-17-2012, 11:10 PM
ORIGINAL: Steve/sewell

You take some nice pictures Cody. Great flask good color.

Agreed, I would love to see the light source layout for the pics....

Ohiosulator
05-18-2012, 12:25 AM
Thanks guys! Just my window that seems to get the most sun shining through it, differnt amounts of light throughout the day, this one came out really well though, the piece looks just like it does sitting in my lighted cabinet. Really unusual color on this one, I had to have it either know its broken.