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brlippin
03-17-2004, 09:58 PM
Hello all out there,
Does anyone out here in the wide internet world have any information about a soda bottle embossed with B. R. Lippincott from about 1850 or so? It's from Stockton California and is also embossed with Superior Mineral Water and Union Glass Works on the reverse.

Maine Digger
03-17-2004, 10:11 PM
You're on target with your date; Union Glass Works operated in Philly PA in from 1845 -1860. The Superior water was distributed in their bottles. What color is your bottle? It's not blue and pontiled by any chance?

brlippin
03-17-2004, 10:21 PM
Hey Norm,
It is blue and has a pontiled base.

brlippin
03-17-2004, 10:43 PM
It is blue and has a pontiled base.
-Ben Lippincott

crozet86
03-17-2004, 10:46 PM
Hi,
If it is a graphite pontil,10 sided , blue,Kovell's listed it in their 12th edition for 880.00.I would do some more checking because i might be wrong.But,either way it is a very nice bottle.

Maine Digger
03-17-2004, 10:47 PM
I did a quick search when I saw your post. There's a company called heckler auctions that has one listed for $300 - $600. I'm not sure if you use google, that's how I found it. at hecklerauction.com It's auction #60 on line. If that's the bottle you have, it's a beauty!

Maine Digger
03-17-2004, 10:53 PM
Hey Eddie, you beat me to the punch! but just barely lol I usually hit the search engines when I see these posts, but I guess the book would have been quicker. By the way, the heckler site has very good photos of the bottles they have. Getting any digging in down there? I was just talking with my son on line in Athens WV, he said it had been fairly warm the past couple of weeks.

brlippin
03-17-2004, 10:54 PM
Thanks to one and all of you!! I find it extraordinary that this bottle has my same initials.
-Ben Lippincott

Maine Digger
03-17-2004, 10:56 PM
That's too funny. lol - I had a very good friend named Dave Lippincott out here in Maine some years ago he just kind of drifted away...he was a left over from the flower child days. lol Not any relation to you is he.

Gunsmoke47
03-17-2004, 10:57 PM
Polak's 3rd Edition lists this bottle from $800.00 to $2000.00, but a lot of people believe his price guide runs on the high side. So there you have it . $300.00 to $2000.00! Any way you look at it though, it's a nice bottle![:D] Kelley

brlippin
03-17-2004, 11:03 PM
Haha, no relation to Dave Lippincott that I know of. But the Lippincot "clan" as it were, was situated predominately around New Jersey. Now I suppose we are all spread around, although the name is not so common. I like to think it is an especially distinguished name. I appreciate all the quick work you guys just did. Pretty fascinating. I am very new to this, a "virgin" you might very well call me. Some of these bottles are just beautiful!!

Maine Digger
03-17-2004, 11:12 PM
Hi, I must be getting old! I took a look at my old yearbook and realized dave Lippicott was a classmate of mine when I lived in New York State. ( I came to Maine in 77') I graduated from a place called Pine Bush waaaaaay back in 1971, so you might understand my memory being fuzzy lol. But NJ was only about 30s away as the crow flys, so ol' Dave might be related to you after all!

brlippin
03-17-2004, 11:20 PM
Haha, way too funny. I was just born in 1977. I'll have to do a little familial digging to see if a Dave Lippincott is related. As the song goes, "There is a brotherhood of man, a lovely tie that binds,..." I can't seem to remember the rest...the last line is..."That great brotherhood of man."
-Ben

Maine Digger
03-17-2004, 11:31 PM
So are you out in California, or is that just where the bottle came from? Boy that's quite a range of prices you have to pick from. Apparently Union Glass did some 'private' labels, I saw one in my 4th. edition of Polaks (ha, 1-up on ya Gunsmoke), but it was for a "Taylor Never Surrendors" - $1,200 - 1,600. Where did you get the bottle, and please don't say you dug it!

brlippin
03-17-2004, 11:37 PM
I'm from Georgia. Atlanta to be specific. Actually, Roswell if you want to pin point it. A family freind gave it to me, but the bottle says Stockton, California. It is a deep cobalt blue. Very pretty. It has what's called a "mug base" but I have no idea what that is. Any education is greatly appreciated!!
-Ben

Maine Digger
03-17-2004, 11:45 PM
Ben, Don't say I didn't warn you, but many an addiction as begun with only one bottle! And no I'm not talking about alcohol, I found one bottle on an old surface dump and the next thing you know I'm hooked! lol, I find myself pacing around the house during the winter just waiting to claw through the mud! You have some prime areas down there even though the boys from Lexington and Virginia say it's all been picked clean! I think they say that to us yankees just to make us feel better through the long cold winters, while they're digging year round.

brlippin
03-17-2004, 11:53 PM
Well I can certainly muck around in the mud for bottles. I just might start doing that. Do you know what the terms "mug base" and "iron pontile" and "applied top" pertain to.

Maine Digger
03-17-2004, 11:55 PM
yup

brlippin
03-18-2004, 12:15 AM
Could you tell me what they mean, please, or point me in the direction of a good resource?

IRISH
03-18-2004, 12:45 AM
Hey brlippin, you are on a good resource here (the best resource actually [:D] ), if you do a search of this site for the terms you where referring to you should find all the info you need [;)] .

Gunsmoke47
03-18-2004, 01:05 AM
Hey Ben, I am not familiar with the term "Mug Base" but an iron pontil is actually a pontil SCAR left by a pontil rod coated with iron to help ease the seperation from the blown bottle. This rod is what the glassblower would hold and use to turn while the lip was being applied. Applied lip is just that. there are many different variations of applied lips, but they were all done after the blowpipe was removed and the bottle was blown. It is basically a blob of glass applied to the sheared lip and then molded to one lip style or another depending on what tool was used. I believe this type of lip molding started around 1840. hope this helps. Kelley

Maine Digger
03-18-2004, 08:51 AM
Hi Ben, sorry about the curt answer last night. lol, Actually, I was going to get right back to you but I got knocked off locally for some reason. I see you received some information already, Irish is right, this site is great. Just so you're aware, you might want to be bit of a night owl, some of the most interesting bottles discussed here are presented by Irish, Oz, Kim and other folks from Australia. They're 12 hours ahead of us! Get yourself to the library or Borders and check out bottle collecting books. The web is filled with sites as well, just do a search on antique bottles. Although I personally think he's a little over-hyped, check out 'Digger Odells' site, he has many many articles as well as question and answer areas. Go to the members list here as well, you can send e-mails direct if you want, there's a wealth of experience, good humor and friendliness on the forum.

BRIAN S.
03-18-2004, 10:18 AM
Hi Ben,
A mug base as you refer to is just that , it looks like a base on an old drinking beer mug . Here's an example. See it is many sided around the base , but the sides don't extend all the way up the sides of the bottle towards the top.
There is presently one of your bottles on the auction block on ebay right now. Here is a link if you'd like to check the auction out for your self and see what the bottle brings $$$ wise. Hope this helps , Brian http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3280417106&category=896

https://www.antique-bottles.net/upfiles/424/Hf99909.jpg

Maine Digger
03-18-2004, 01:32 PM
Brian, great work! I guess you couldn't ask for better service than that. lol That really is a sweet bottle!

glassman99
03-18-2004, 11:25 PM
The Lipponcott soda was Stockton,CA. There were a lot of these dug during the 70's when the diggin was good. It has fluctuated in price form 50$ to 1,700$ but now is in the 400$+ range. I am also in Atlanta and collect Stockton bottles. Contact me if you want moreinfo on the soda.

Bluegrass
03-19-2004, 12:10 AM
Hoho, Norm.... I wish that was true! In Lexington, I have just found 17 out of 17 dug privies and I'm heading out of town for good! Next winter I'll be showing you all of the bottles I've dug just to make you feel bad...lol!

John.