View Full Version : Is this pontiled?

01-05-2012, 04:48 PM
Is this 3-piece mold pontiled?I think it is but im not sure.


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01-05-2012, 04:52 PM
The whole bottle


01-05-2012, 05:10 PM
Heres a couple more pics


01-05-2012, 05:11 PM


01-05-2012, 05:12 PM
It's a tough call from those pics but from the form of the bottle I'd say no.

01-05-2012, 05:14 PM
Ok,thanks.Its hard to get a good pic of the bottom.

01-05-2012, 06:08 PM
ORIGINAL: carobran



Yo Carbuncle,

At least the poinsttas are in focus. Are there letters embossed in that base?

You've been around long enough to know how to do proper photos. Why devote so much picture real estate to extraneous background? Natural light, close up, get all focusy, crop extraneous stuff, that's the ticket.

http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs50/f/2009/292/6/0/General_Carbuncle_by_jamesrford.jpg From. (http://jamesrford.deviantart.com/art/General-Carbuncle-140818052)

RED Matthews
01-05-2012, 06:09 PM
Hi carobran. I am inclined to say that I don't think it was empontilled because one can see the center vent dot in the pictures. This ocurence got some identity like "Improved Pontil" for a while. The vent hole helped get the air our of the space between the parison and the final mold cavity, at the bottom zone of the closed mold. It looks like a collectable bottle anyway.
The glass thickness around the heal of the bottle indicates that the parison swung quite a bit when the final blow was made.
RED Matthews

01-05-2012, 06:39 PM
Thanks for the help,i guess that answers my question.What do you think on the date?1870S?As you can see there is a chunk of glass embedded in the base that is very sharp,its nice and crude and i like it alot.It has no embossing.....P.S. I dont need a photography coach surfaceone.[;)]

01-05-2012, 06:46 PM
I dont need a photography coach surfaceone. [;)]

Well, Branden,

Perhaps a stand-in photographer, then.


01-05-2012, 06:50 PM
I can take good pictures,there are just some things that are hard to photograph,an indented green bottle base with thick glass surrounding it being one of them,at least for me.

01-05-2012, 07:18 PM
it could be an iron pontil.. is the lip applied? I'd like a better view of the finish.. your camera's autofocus will work better if you put the bottle on a piece of plain white paper, rather than a patterned surface. Invest in a sheet of white poster board.

01-05-2012, 07:39 PM
Here ya go.I believe this is applied.


01-05-2012, 07:40 PM


01-05-2012, 07:41 PM
Last one.


01-05-2012, 07:44 PM
Now hold the camera sideways, so there's more bottle and less background in the shot.. you can get closer, too..

01-05-2012, 09:37 PM
I find one of the best ways to take pic's of potential pontils is to stand the bottle on it's head or lay it flat and let the "FLASH" do the work for you. It has given me my best results.....Then do some "CROPPING" for crying out loud !![8|]

I'm gonna suggest someone like you should lay the bottle on a flat surface and NOT on it's head...[:-]


01-05-2012, 09:59 PM
Looks like a 1900s English Gin bottle. As such, it would not have been blessed with a pontil.

01-06-2012, 09:28 AM
I'd agree, that this bottle dates to the 1900's and is European. A photography coach would be helpful, what Surfaceone was saying was your camera focus on the print in the background not the bottle. It is very obvious. Glass is hard to focus on because it is transparent. As your focusing put a finger on the bottle or area of bottle you want to focus on, get your focus, remove the finger without moving camera and take photo. Try if you don't believe me.

01-07-2012, 02:51 PM
I have also heard,in some instances,to fill your bottle with liquid.This works good when you are trying to read embossing better.This reminds me of the "push up" type wine bottle bases,although I`m inclined to think it held something else.Good tip Doug,and nicely stated.No worries Caroban,some people either don`t know tact,don`t realize joking doesn`t go over quite right in print,or just have to be a burr under the saddle.Just try to thresh the wheat from the chafe,er,chaff.[:D]

01-07-2012, 05:32 PM

No worries Caroban,some people either don`t know tact,don`t realize joking doesn`t go over quite right in print,or just have to be a burr under the saddle.Just try to thresh the wheat from the chafe,er,chaff.[:D]

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01-08-2012, 12:45 PM
Mr. carobran,

Sometimes a bubble in the glass will burst resulting in a pontil like feature. Please pardon the background of my photo...but I'm afraid my wife has packed away all our holiday table cloths.



01-08-2012, 12:52 PM
ah, the elusive bubble pontil[;)]

01-09-2012, 10:46 AM
ah, the elusive bubble pontil

Matt, is that rarer than the vent dot pontil? I seem to remember a bottle on ebay that was described as having a pontil on the side of the bottle (that has to be the rarest right)??

01-09-2012, 10:54 AM
Yep, side pontils are among the rarest of the empontiling techniques:)

01-09-2012, 11:29 AM
Yep, side pontils are among the rarest of the empontiling techniques:)

Hopefully the reproduction bottle producers never realize this.

01-09-2012, 12:20 PM
I remember one bottle on fleabay that had a pontil marked lip. There may be some logic there though if they were using thier blowpipes as punty rods?

01-09-2012, 12:31 PM
yeah, the bottle i was referring to had some damage or burst bubble on the side and the seller called it a side pontil.