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ellisnowens
03-09-2012, 08:01 PM
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https://www.antique-bottles.net/upfiles/11700/F2E858FBAB614EBAA8DDD01D8FA808ED.jpg

ellisnowens
03-09-2012, 08:03 PM
Smooth base

https://www.antique-bottles.net/upfiles/11700/13EC69A9FFE843D8BFE2EB8B5A1F1662.jpg

cyberdigger
03-09-2012, 08:19 PM
Not really.. 1950's or so..

KentOhio
03-09-2012, 10:16 PM
It looks to me like it's 1890s or 1900. It would have had a stopper and held something like cologne. Probably made in Europe.

surfaceone
03-09-2012, 11:44 PM
Hey Tony,

Have a look HERE. (http://eholdenantiques.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=1591)

https://i397.photobucket.com/albums/pp54/juldusty/Junefinds001.jpg

"Find: Victorian Enameled Glass Decanter, ca. 1880" From. (http://norbridgeantiques.blogspot.com/2010/07/picnic-on-beach.html)

cyberdigger
03-09-2012, 11:47 PM
So am I going to be put to shame.. AGAIN.. ?? [&o]

LC
03-10-2012, 01:07 AM
Looks 50s or 60s to me .

botlguy
03-10-2012, 10:50 PM
ORIGINAL: KentOhio

It looks to me like it's 1890s or 1900. It would have had a stopper and held something like cologne. Probably made in Europe.

I agree with this time frame. The applied enamel decoration looks period but not as early as the pontilled versions. It has the "Barber Bottle" appearance except for the finish which seems to be a bit strange but I agree with the glass stopper idea. It has more of a dresser look.

hyram
03-12-2012, 10:42 AM
but how did you determine the age of the bottles??

botlguy
03-12-2012, 03:09 PM
ORIGINAL: hyram

but how did you determine the age of the bottles??

Not at all meaning to be rude but it is experience. I've been doing this a long time as have others. It takes time to acquire the knowledge of such things. Read, watch, attend shows, get togethers, acquire a mentor. A good mentor will cut the learning curve by years. This forum has a wealth of knowledge unavialable to me 45 years ago. Take the time to search the archives here and you will probably learn all you need to know.

BTW, sometimes our opinions are incorrect but that is why we discuss it and others chime in.

saratogadriver
03-12-2012, 04:44 PM
Some bottles are easy, they are of distinct description and a known period. Others have a certain type of manufacture, like a pontil on the bottom from the glassmaker's technique, that date them (pre 1860 for most pontiled bottles for example). Some bottles you can tell by the mold marks not going all the way up the neck, showing that the neck was hand made. Some have a mold mark that goes all the way up, and most of those are automatic bottle machine (roughly 1900 on).

You brought us an odd piece, a decanter that isn't pontiled but also isn't new. We are all sort of applying our experience to it to try to give you an approximate date. It doesn't have the look and feel of a pre-1850 piece. It appears to be too nice a quality to be a new reproduction.

I'm with the group who put it late 1800s early 1900s. And that is based on what experience I have looking at glass over the years of collecting. There are others on here with serious expertise, beyond mine, who might opine otherwise.

IOW, there's a certain amout of "art" in judging age on some pieces of glass.

The rough, ground inside neck indicates that it had a glass stopper originally, btw. Not unusual for a decanter, which probably contained some form of liquor which would need to be tightly sealed to not evaporate.

Jim G



ORIGINAL: hyram

but how did you determine the age of the bottles??