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dalerininger
03-11-2012, 02:14 PM
I have a Seltzer bottle with the Cantrell and Cocjrane on the label with C&C club a registered trademark. Can anyone tell me how old it might be? I also have a Seltzer bottle from Peter Walker and Company ltd, indicated Birmingham 6 on bottom

blobbottlebob
03-11-2012, 02:44 PM
Hey Dale.
Welcome. The Cantrell & Cochran is a mass produced mineral water from Ireland. The CC thing might be the local distributor. Some seltzer bottles are still used but thay can date back as early as the 1880s or 90s. Most are more modern. If the labels are painted (colored) they will be much later. Etched seltzers - especially those with a 'footed' bottom - will be the earliest.

surfaceone
03-11-2012, 11:42 PM
Hello Dale,

Welcome to the A-BN and thanks for telling us a little about your seltzers. How'd you come by them? Please put up some photos.

Is this like your C&C? http://images.goantiques.com/dbimages/EHE6611/EHE6611BT756.jpg From. (http://www.goantiques.com/detail,cantrell-cochrane-seltzer,2514750.html)

Peter Walker was an English Brewery and later got into Pub management.

"Peter-Walker-and-Son Ltd.
This company was founded by Peter Walker, an inventor who patented the Burton Union system [though there is some doubt as to whether he actually was the inventor]. The company operated as Peter Walker and Son in Liverpool and Warrington. His eldest son, Sir Andrew Barclay Walker, merged his own operations into this and expanded to Burton-on-Trent. Sir Andrew pioneered many of the innovations in brewing production, beer distribution and pub management that we all take for granted today. The company merged with Cain's in 1921 and was eventually absorbed into Allied Breweries. The brothers of Sir Andrew Barclay Walker, John and Peter, started Peter Walker & Co. Ltd. [see above]. However, it was this company that wielded more influence." From. (http://www.midlandspubs.co.uk/breweries/staffordshire.htm#Peter-Walker)

"There is endless confusion between the two Peter Walkers! Father patented the Burton Union system (some doubt as to whether he was the inventor!), and founded Peter Walker and Son in Liverpool and Warrington. His eldest son, Sir Andrew Barclay Walker, merged his own operations into this and expanded to Burton. Sir Andrew pioneered many of the innovations in brewing production, beer distribution and pub management that we all take for granted today. "& Sons" merged with Cain's in 1921 and turned into Allied Breweries. Sir Andrew's brothers, John and Peter, started Peter Walker & Co. in Wrexham, and moved to Burton as described. Given "& Sons" strength in the North West, "& Co." focussed on markets South of Burton, and were taken over by Atkinsons in 1925. As Sir Andrew left 10 times as much money as Peter, you could guess that his Brewery was 10 times bigger." From. (http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/northeast/sites/askalocal/pages/hist24.shtml)

http://www.TavernTrove.com/beerpics/Walkers-Stout-Labels-Peter-Walker--Sons-Dallam-Brewery-Ltd_50485-1.jpg From. (http://www.taverntrove.com/item.php?ItemId=50485&goback=results.php?intPageNumber=125&intResults=70)