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Sir.Bottles
11-23-2012, 03:26 PM
I like to know everybody opinion about 1 of a kind bottle.
a. it's a myth as myth as Roman goddess.
b. it's a truth as truth as sunrise.

my personal opinion THERE IS NO SUCH THING it's simply a myth like Aphrodite, Artemis, Hera, Hestia.
well what about you....

NyDigger1
11-23-2012, 03:53 PM
Its the truth, there are recorded examples of one of a kind bottles. This is considering that there is one known example. If thats the case I own about 15 nyc blobs that arent recorded, or that there arent any other known examples that exist. It could change when someone finds another one.

sandchip
11-23-2012, 03:57 PM
No, I don't believe in a one-of-a-kind bottle, unless it's a whimsey of a mold-blown bottle. Nobody had an expensive iron mold made to blow one bottle. Now sure, there are plenty of instances where there is only one known example. I guess it depends on which you're talking about. But then, I guess all hand-blown bottles, especially the early ones, are one-of-a-kind, like fingerprints. The bubbles, applied tops, necks, whittle effect, impression, etc. are never the same from one to another.

LC
11-23-2012, 04:23 PM
My thoughts when coming up with a bottle I have never seen before is if there is on the has to be more .

botlguy
11-23-2012, 04:23 PM
I say All freeblown bottles are truly "1 of a kind". No two are EXACTLY the same, only, perhaps, VERY similar.

Any molded bottle should not be a true "1 of a kind" but they can be by virtue of color or some other anomoly. Take the example of a DRAKE'S PLANTATION BITTERS. Very common bottle. One was blown in the same mold as many, many others but the gaffer removed it from the mold and blew into it again making it an Anomoly, a "One of a Kind" bulbous shape. Another example is the Cobalt Blue Fish Bitters. One known, glass workers playing around at the end of the day or on a break. They used the same mold as others were blown in but not using Cobalt colored glass. One of a Kind? Yes and no. It just depends on how you want to look at it. Even if all were blown in Amber / Brown glass, no two would be EXACTLY the same color under close scientific examination.

If, as mentioned by Mike, NyDigger1, there is only 1 "known" example of an otherwise mold blown typical type bottle, I would not pay big bucks assuming that no more will be found. Many collectors have made that mistake.

I know this really doesn't answer your question but in my opinion there is no definitive answer. There are too many qualifications necessary to be definitive. I could go on and on, I really enjoy such discussions.

LC
11-23-2012, 04:43 PM
I guess there are two ways of looking at . My thoughts leaned toward the issue brand name . If the glass blower blew more than one of the same then it is not one of a kind . Then too no bottle would ever be exactly the same if free blown .

epackage
11-23-2012, 04:47 PM
If you ever see another one of these in this color let me know, it's an "ONLY KNOWN" example, I'm hoping it is not a 'One of a Kind'. I doubt there's a bottle this RED out there....



https://www.antique-bottles.net/upfiles/10927/5125C329E7314200A6E80F9FD28D5795.jpg

surfaceone
11-23-2012, 05:00 PM
my personal opinion THERE IS NO SUCH THING it's simply a myth like Aphrodite, Artemis, Hera, Hestia.
well what about you....

Hey Leonard,

What are you saying about Aphrodite, now...

http://www.arthistory.sbc.edu/imageswomen/papers/parisaphrodite/botticelli_birth_of_venus.gif

I always believed in beauty...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f9/The_Birth_of_Venus_by_William-Adolphe_Bouguereau_(1879).jpg/360px-The_Birth_of_Venus_by_William-Adolphe_Bouguereau_(1879).jpg

NyDigger1
11-23-2012, 05:15 PM
I would pay big bucks for an only 1 known blob and I have in the past. Never regretted it because no others have popped up in the past 4 years these being the examples, and I still have other nyc collectors hound me for these (some I paid alot, not all but these are the one of a kind until another is found examples):

http://mikesbottleroom.weebly.com/uploads/1/3/6/4/1364548/5429718_orig.jpg
http://mikesbottleroom.weebly.com/uploads/1/3/6/4/1364548/7890648_orig.jpg
http://mikesbottleroom.weebly.com/uploads/1/3/6/4/1364548/4776702_orig.jpg
http://mikesbottleroom.weebly.com/uploads/1/3/6/4/1364548/5940394_orig.jpg
http://mikesbottleroom.weebly.com/uploads/1/3/6/4/1364548/9833391_orig.jpg
http://mikesbottleroom.weebly.com/uploads/1/3/6/4/1364548/5058608_orig.jpg
http://mikesbottleroom.weebly.com/uploads/1/3/6/4/1364548/2494183_orig.jpg
http://mikesbottleroom.weebly.com/uploads/1/3/6/4/1364548/5135285_orig.jpg

NyDigger1
11-23-2012, 05:20 PM
I may add the the eppig bottles exist and are scarce but out there, but this is the only known recorded example of this type of slug plate in this color.

cyberdigger
11-23-2012, 05:23 PM
I love embossed BIM beverage bottles as much as anyone, and I have a few 'only knowns' myself, but I can't believe only one was ever made, it takes too much to produce a slug plate just to make one bottle, and a private mold would be even more extravagant for a single serving. The possibility does exist that there are 'only surviving examples' of a bottle like this, albeit a very slight one. My guess is the absolute minimum order was one gross (144) for a production run and I suspect if anyone could do that small scale of a job it was Karl Hutter.. so, in most cases, if you have the only one, it's just a matter of time before someone digs up another, or worse.. runs across a case of them.. [;)]

AntiqueMeds
11-23-2012, 05:49 PM
every free blown bottle is unique.
Chances are,if its blown in a mold , its not unique (except for maybe having some weird color scheme).

Aphrodite isnt roman,she's greek and not a myth[;)] Venus would be the Roman equivalent.

cowseatmaize
11-23-2012, 05:58 PM
1 of a kind bottle!! is it true??? or myth???It depends on who's selling it. All bottles are one of a kind, at least in molecular structure. Some bottles were only blown an a one off for special occasions but very few. Most were at least semi mass produced but may not have been found yet in a quantity. Some never existed at all but that's hypothetical, they may be out there.
Anyway I agree with some, disagree with some others. [:D]

AntiqueMeds
11-23-2012, 06:07 PM
The term "only known example" could be applied to a few bottles, but you have to be careful throwing it around carelessly.
And "only known example" is a lot different than "only example produced" or "the only example. We never know what is yet to be found.

NyDigger1
11-23-2012, 06:45 PM
I have two bottles that are certified and confirmed only to exist.

The Colonial bottling being one of them since its a mistake in embossing and should be colonial brewing (and ive seen the brewing examples around) not colonial bottling.

The other is a dairy from brooklyn with the N in brooklyn embossed backwards. And again, Ive seen the correct examples around as well.

surfaceone
11-23-2012, 06:52 PM
"Unique," in my opinion, is a better word.

https://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn280/skysthelimiiit/quotes%20sayings/unique.jpg

surfaceone
11-23-2012, 07:01 PM
I concur with the unique freeblown thinking.

I think I could make a case for some unique stoneware pieces.

http://media-cache-ec5.pinterest.com/upload/188869778092892459_vVtLo0C0_b.jpg

"An Exceptional Cobalt Blue Slip Decorated Ovoid Stoneware Jug with a Balloon Ascension Motif circa 1835–55. The unique subject may commemorate the historically significant 350-mile flight of Richard Clayton who ascended from the Cincinnati, Ohio Amphitheater in April 1835 and landed 9-1/2 hours later in Monroe County, Virginia breaking the world record for the farthest distance traveled in a balloon." From. (http://pinterest.com/pin/45387908715948925/)

Erik T
11-24-2012, 01:59 AM
Its kind of a "if a tree falls in the woods and no one is around does it make sound? type question=The tree falling creates waves of high and low pressure that can only be considered sound if the waves of varying air pressure are interpreted by an artificial or organic 'ear,' if the waves of pressure is interpreted by an 'ear' it is not sound.

Therefore "is a bottle truly one-of-a-kind?"=There may be other bottles, but they have yet to be found. So if yours has been recognized as being one of a kind and the others remain unrecognized/not found it is one-of-a-kind.

However according to this theory it would be almost impossible to tell if they were "truly one-of-a-kind" unless you knew the exact locations of all the bottles ever made discovered and not.

I apologize for the crappy analogy but I was never good at english nor poetry therefore I stick to science. [:D]

-Erik

Sir.Bottles
11-24-2012, 10:09 AM
ORIGINAL: Erik T

Its kind of a "if a tree falls in the woods and no one is around does it make sound? type question=The tree falling creates waves of high and low pressure that can only be considered sound if the waves of varying air pressure are interpreted by an artificial or organic 'ear,' if the waves of pressure is interpreted by an 'ear' it is not sound.

Therefore "is a bottle truly one-of-a-kind?"=There may be other bottles, but they have yet to be found. So if yours has been recognized as being one of a kind and the others remain unrecognized/not found it is one-of-a-kind.

However according to this theory it would be almost impossible to tell if they were "truly one-of-a-kind" unless you knew the exact locations of all the bottles ever made discovered and not.

I apologize for the crappy analogy but I was never good at english nor poetry therefore I stick to science. [:D]

-Erik

Hey you got that right Erik!! Nobody crazy enough to order or make a mold (which is not cheap) just to blow a single bottle!!
I personally have 3 1 of a kind case gin bottles, but I prefer to say it that I have 3 unique (1 of a kind) case gin so far!! The rest is just sitting or buried or sunk somewhere & they just waiting to be found!! in short we just not find the rest of'em yet.

Sir.Bottles
11-24-2012, 10:11 AM
ORIGINAL: surfaceone


my personal opinion THERE IS NO SUCH THING it's simply a myth like Aphrodite, Artemis, Hera, Hestia.
well what about you....

Hey Leonard,

What are you saying about Aphrodite, now...

http://www.arthistory.sbc.edu/imageswomen/papers/parisaphrodite/botticelli_birth_of_venus.gif

I always believed in beauty...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f9/The_Birth_of_Venus_by_William-Adolphe_Bouguereau_(1879).jpg/360px-The_Birth_of_Venus_by_William-Adolphe_Bouguereau_(1879).jpg

She is HOT!! [sm=tongue.gif][sm=tongue.gif][sm=tongue.gif][sm=tongue.gif]

Sir.Bottles
11-24-2012, 10:14 AM
Oh yes I miss that part Aphrodite is venus, Artemis is Diana (she is my favorite "the huntress goddess" be friend with her & you'll be a great hunter).