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Steve/sewell
02-03-2013, 09:47 PM
Hi Jamie here is the dimple or round mark on the Turlington bottles you asked about. Post a picture of your new pick up and congratulations on getting it for a bargain. The seller should be commended as the bottle has gone to a good home.

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Steve/sewell
02-03-2013, 09:47 PM
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Road Dog
02-04-2013, 07:34 PM
I mentioned those marks before Steve. Not sure what they are. The Houck's bottle I have has those. Two one the front. If you turn the bottle 180 degrees in the exact same position two on the back.

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Road Dog
02-04-2013, 07:35 PM
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Steve/sewell
02-04-2013, 09:54 PM
Maybe it is a Mold repair as Red has suggested before Rory,as it would make sense on a heavily manufactured bottle.

glass man
02-04-2013, 10:48 PM
Will get the pics on tomorrow STEVE!!Nina needs to teach me how so I can do it myself..she is asleep.I THANK YOU MUCH STEVE!!JAMIE

sandchip
02-05-2013, 08:29 AM
I can't get over the greenish one with the long neck in the first pic. Good stuff!

RED Matthews
02-05-2013, 09:39 AM
Good morning all of you great people. Steve, I need to ask about the size of these marks - diameter and depth. Maybe even a close-up picture. After seeing the pictures Rory just put up - And his pointing out that there ware two on each side of the one bottle, I am beginning to think they could be venting plugs, put in the mold to help let the glass blow to the mold better.
I have a couple scroll flasks and both have face vent evidence on the side parting lines of the molds.
I am trying to put together a blog for the homepage on mold venting. It might just include these marks. If I could see them it would help, but I know that venting has to be done to keep the air from pushing the hottest glass together and causing bird swings - though I have never seen one in a scroll flask.
This mark makes me think a hole was drilled and plugged with a dowel having side slots or flats on it. I have seen them done before.
Great' bottles to have. I have just never justified the investment costs - being a trained tight-wad by my Mom.
RED Matthews

glass man
02-05-2013, 08:18 PM
Here's the best pictures I've got right now.

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glass man
02-05-2013, 08:19 PM
Picture number 2

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glass man
02-05-2013, 08:20 PM
This is the best picture I've got of the ring.

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glass man
02-05-2013, 08:21 PM
Here's one of the top.It is open O.P. could not get a good pic. of..
the embossing on one side of the bottle..but can't be read!Can see some embossing on the sides and on the opposite side..but only a letter here and there but hard to read..very near mint!!THANK YOU STEVE!!

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glass man
02-05-2013, 08:29 PM
MEANT to say "The embossing is strong on one side of the bottle..but even so it is very hard to read.On the opposite side of the bottle and on the sides ,some letters can be made out here and there..but can't make much out of them...WEAK MOLD?JAMIE

Steve/sewell
02-05-2013, 09:02 PM
Jamie,Yes weak mold and very pebbly? You can only make out a few letters correct.

From what I see Jamie in your picture you have the Jersey Blown Turlington. Red the circular shallow depression mark is about the size of a pencil eraser head in circumference on all of these bottles I would think a vent hole located there wouldn't make sense for one because of the size remember these are the tiny Turlington bottles and two right smack dab in the embossing?. I am leaning towards the mark as a repair because of mass production of the mold. Remember T W Dyott listed 400 dozen of these for sale at any time in 1817. All of his glass ware was being made first at the Edward Carpenter owned Olive glass works in Glassboro New Jersey then at The Gloucester glass works in Clementon and eventually at the Randall Marshall christian Stanger Union Glass works near Leesburg all in Southern New Jersey. I would assume a mold that was used this extensively would eventually crack and then rupture.

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Steve/sewell
02-05-2013, 09:07 PM
From a Philadelphia Newspaper in my collection, The American Centinel and mercantile advertiser May 19th 1817 and ad from Dyott

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glass man
02-05-2013, 10:15 PM
ORIGINAL: glass man

Here's one of the top.It is open O.P. could not get a good pic. of..
the embossing on one side of the bottle..but can't be read!Can see some embossing on the sides and on the opposite side..but only a letter here and there but hard to read..very near mint!!THANK YOU STEVE!!

https://www.antique-bottles.net/upfiles/9095/BAAB57FDE35E4739AC4FBCED3D321C64.jpg



From this picture you can see the strong embossing if you look straight down the picture..even though it is strong ..it is very hard to read it.Yep pebbly all over and on the rest of the bottle can only make out a letter here and there...I bought this as a "COMFORT BOTTLE" cause of selling my other bottles and I felt it was a good buy at 25 bucks...but wasn't sure..one I hope to keep and IS $25 A GOOD DEAL?

THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH STEVE FOR ALL THE INVALUABLE KNOWLEDGE!!!OTHERWISE I would not have had a clue...except it was a TURLINGTON'S and was an older version cause of the O.P.!!JAMIE

glass man
02-05-2013, 10:16 PM
ORIGINAL: Steve/sewell

From a Philadelphia Newspaper in my collection, The American Centinel and mercantile advertiser May 19th 1817 and ad from Dyott

https://www.antique-bottles.net/upfiles/12005/D3C508A30B3942CF86D6503EC4BBE7A8.jpg



WOW!I know you love this!!GREAT!JAMIE

glass man
02-05-2013, 10:18 PM
Also the "CIRCLE" on mine is only on one side..the side that is more weakly embossed.It always amazes me how items make it so far from home...and how fragile a bottle can be..yet makes it through all the many years!

Records are the same [not as old or fragile] I bought at a flea market a 78 record with a song on one side being "ROBIN HOOD" and the other "THE BALLAD OF DAVY CROCKETT" by DICK JAMES on the ENGLISH LABEL PARLOPHONE ...this has a BEATLES connection..BRIAN EPSTEIN contacted JAMES to be the BEATLES PUBLISHER in early 1963 right before the BEATLES HIT IT BIG!!!!..This just basically feel in JAMES HANDS..The upshot of this is PUBLISHING WAS WHERE THE MOST MONEY WAS!!He got very very rich!!

The thing is ..how did an some what obscure record for the USA on an ENGLISH label end up in a flea market in a small GA.town....?

I am glad it did..LOVE MY NEW OLD BOTTLE!!JAMIE

Steve/sewell
02-05-2013, 11:04 PM
Correct Jamie the hole is only on one side on all of mine also. Remember this bottle I posted with a similar mark in two spots. I think this is a mold repair.

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Steve/sewell
02-05-2013, 11:05 PM
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Steve/sewell
02-05-2013, 11:06 PM
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Ohiosulator
02-05-2013, 11:29 PM
Neat post!

I thought I would add that I have a pretty crude scroll quart with large circular markings like these as well on the front and back in the same place. Neat to see other bottles with this feature.

Ohiosulator
02-05-2013, 11:40 PM
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glass man
02-06-2013, 03:00 AM
WOW!Cool stuff..with the rings on different bottles!

Thanks to you STEVE and RED..I would really have thought nothing of the ring ....vent hole or repair?Good topic to research or really a guess..cause so long ago we might not really know...

I wonder if the ring on mine would make sense that the embossing it so weak on that side...and maybe if it was a repair if that is why even though the embossing is strong on the opposite side of the bottle it is so very hard to read it?In fact even with a magnifying glass it can't be read...if it was not for the very known shape of a "TURLINGTON" you would not know what it was..except an old bottle with embossing on it that can not be read!

I wonder if that takes away from the value?Hate to get into that..but just curious...

I am so proud to have it..it is one of four O.P. bottles I won't sell..till I have too....The guy wanted 30 dollars for it...it was the end of the bottle show when all were packing up that I even noticed it close to my table..I asked him if he would take 25 dollars for it and he said sure...so I bought it...

Also if it is a vent hole would that too make a difference in the hard to read embossing?I am sure people back then may have known the bottle and it's shape as well as many of us do now,,so embossing was not that important..maybe?

This brings up another point...was there ever a copy cat of this med.?A med. that also had the same shape?I know of none...usually if anything was popular then ...many others would imitate it..like COKE... and many other products...THANKS AGAIN!JAMIE

Steve/sewell
02-06-2013, 07:26 AM
Neat questions you pose Jamie,why would anyone care ,it was the medicine they were concerned with that apparently worked because people spent quite a bit of money on these for well over 150 years. So yes maybe coupled with the fact that a paper wrapper encircled each one of these what type of person back then would have been concerned with a vent or mold repair mark in a bottle as you stated with a long time brand name and a well known shape. It reminds me of this well known shape its changed over time but a majority percent of our population could place a name on this car with out to much trouble and knows of it prowess.

These are great bottles one of the most unique and recognized shapes in our hobby,they are crude yet intriguing ,small but larger then a plain vial,they have the most embossing one could ever cram onto any small space on each side and they don't take up a lot of real estate in your display cabinets.Again Jamie congrats to you and now with the help of yourself, Roaddog and Ohioinsulator we have given Red a bottle mystery to chew on maybe more of these bottles will be posted here now with this mold mark.

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glass man
02-06-2013, 08:04 AM
I THANK YOU AGAIN STEVE AND ALL...the knowledge on here that can be gained in such a short time would take me years ..I don't probably have..to learn about bottles..what a great thing and place to come to...I am so blessed to have found this forum and all you people that share so unselfishly what you know...WOW!!MAYBE I CAN NOW BE LUCKY ENOUGH TO FIND ONE OF THE CARS YOU HAVE POSTED FOR 25 dollars!!JAMIE

sandchip
02-06-2013, 09:35 AM
First off, I apologize for the picture quality, but it's there and hard to capture. A circular mark about a half inch in diameter just above the "C" in Clarke. I'm dang near positive that my two L&Cs were blown into the same, although reworked molds, with the wide-mouth example being the earlier of the two. I've compared every detail of each letter, the size, stroke, spacing and distance from the mold lines, and they seem to be identical. The med-top's impression shows signs that the mold was becoming worn and pitted from use. About 2/3 of the way up and around the shoulder is a faint feature where it appears that the mold was filled from there up the neck to narrow the neck diameter. All I can figure is that maybe, from the repeated impact of the hot glass, the molds of the bottles shown in this thread scaled or even developed pocks from some flaw in casting, like an air bubble or foreign material which popped out from repeated heating and metal fatigue in that spot, after which the mold was drilled and filled in that spot and returned to use. However, this is just the humble opinion of an old letterhead.

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sandchip
02-06-2013, 09:36 AM
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sandchip
02-06-2013, 09:37 AM
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Steve/sewell
02-06-2013, 09:54 AM
Got to get to work but nice read Jamie if you find a vette for 25 dollars don't tell anyone[8D]and Jim good theory makes a lot of sense I hope to see more of these types of markings from other contributors.Those are great bottles by the way thanks for posting them and I can see the mark clearly on your second picture.

Steve/sewell
02-06-2013, 11:48 PM
Jim and Jamie,
Here is my only Lynch and Clark bottle I believe it is an early one Jim with the mold marks you speak of . One is above the C in Clark and the second one is completely opposite same height on the other side of the bottle. Like you said prior it is it is tough to photograph indoors. Ill try and take some in daylight before the snow storm rolls in tomorrow.

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Steve/sewell
02-06-2013, 11:51 PM
2 The other side has a nearly identical mark. It is just shy of a half an inch round.

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