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epgorge
01-14-2007, 10:12 AM
HI,
I am looking at buying this fluted, pontiled, Diamond and daisies flask. It is a stieger style and allegedly came out of an old estate sale with other beautiful bottles.
Any help as to its authenticity would be greatly appreciated.
Joel (Ep)

https://www.antique-bottles.net/upfiles/7353/DD743BD165B84782B2F869309C785A42.jpg

epgorge
01-14-2007, 10:15 AM
Here is the nebulous, identifying sales pitch.
“This Auction is for an Awesome Fine Example of a SUPER Pontiled Patterned Flask and of an Awesome Deep Teal Color. (MINE IS PURPLE!!!) This Flask Bottle is one of my bottles from my Personal display case and is one of the Finest Examples and Hard to find on eBay. It matches a STIEGEL Description but I do not know the maker or the age, as it is not marked. (I CAN’T FIND A MARK ON MINE…SOON TO BE YOURS…EITHER.) This Perfect Flask is about 6" Tall of a Gorgeous Deep Teal Color. (AGAIN, THIS ONE IS PURPLE OR AMETHYST AND SEEMS TO STANDING JUST OVER
5 ½” TALL.) Found 2 small-unradiated Potstones that add to its Wonderful Display. (I SEE 4 MYSELF IF POTSTONES ARE THE LITTLE PIECES OF WHAT I CALL ASH IN THE GLASS, AND THE 4 I SEE ARE SO SMALL THAT I CAN’T EVEN MEASURE THEM WITH MILLIMETERS NOR CAN I GET A DECENT SHOT OF THEM WITH MY CAMERA…ALL FOUR WON’T EVEN TOTAL A MILLIMETER IN DIAMETER IF BUNDLED TOGETHER.) It has a Perfect Refired Lip on a slightly askew neck. Has Nice Stretch Marks in the Neck to shoulders area. (YEP, THE ONLY TIME STRETCH MARKS ARE SWEET, LOL, AND THIS FLASK HAS QUITE A FEW ALONG THE NECK ANSD SHOULDERS.) The Pattern Begins Immediately at the shoulders of a DIAMOND WITH DAISYS (daisies) INSIDE PATTERN ABOVE RIBBED FLUTED BOTTOM. The Base Bears a Pontil Scar with Shearing from the snapping off of the Blow Rod along with Wear Marks on its High Points as each ribbed panel hits. (THAT ENTIRE SAME HERE.) This Beauty is Offered in excellent condition with No Damages except for an open bubble in the neck which is not damage, just happened when it was made as the topical bubble burst. (THIS ONE HAS NO AIR BUBBLES MEANING THAT THE GLASS WAS SUPER HOT WHEN THEY BLEW THIS ONE.) Has a content ring on the bottom that should easily wash out, I just did not have the time. (THIS ONE IS CLEAN AS A WHISTLE ONLY BECAUSE MY BOTTLE BRUSH CAN REACH INSIDE.) What an AWESOME Scarcely Seen Flask of a Gorgeous High Demand Color for the Flask Collector.”

Folks, please take a look at the pictures, grab your books and do some research. Like I stated earlier, I don’t collect flasks…it just so happens I have several that will be up for grabs in the immediate future. So, if you like what you see, please add me to your favorite sellers list and feel free to bid. All of my auctions are true auctions.

epgorge
01-14-2007, 10:19 AM
Here is a picture of the lip.

https://www.antique-bottles.net/upfiles/7353/287615F8ED254404AC39B7438CA7FFF8.jpg

epgorge
01-14-2007, 10:20 AM
and the OP



https://www.antique-bottles.net/upfiles/7353/A72ACFECF6C74996839BCA22AD7DC8E2.jpg

GuntherHess
01-14-2007, 11:12 AM
I think your photos may be too small to judge the item.

epgorge
01-14-2007, 11:46 AM
Thanks Gunther... Here is one of three I will attempt to post.
Joel

https://www.antique-bottles.net/upfiles/7353/FA86F91022CD4CBB90E22C85BCE527AF.jpg

epgorge
01-14-2007, 11:48 AM
A larger lip

https://www.antique-bottles.net/upfiles/7353/6226AD53DDC3410AA1E5F7330C3F56FD.jpg

epgorge
01-14-2007, 11:49 AM
and pontil

southern Maine diver
01-15-2007, 02:29 PM
epgorge...

I don't know Joel... I'd have to see that one in person to want it for a collection. You would really have to see it up close, touch it, feel it, experience it... if you were going to spend a lot of money on it...[:-]

Just a thought,
Wayne

earlyglass
01-15-2007, 03:13 PM
Wayne is right, this piece needs to be held. I am guessing that this is a reproduction of the the Steigel diamond daisy pattern, which was blown in PA during the 1770s. Have it looked at by an expert... the difference in value is roughly $7000! But my guess would be a clevenger 1930s reproduction.

Mike

epgorge
01-16-2007, 09:49 PM
Well I didn't buy the fluted flask. It ended up selling for $408.00.


not bad for a repro, eh?
Ep

whiskeyman
01-23-2007, 09:11 PM
This flask was most likely made by Emil J. Larson of Vineland NJ in the 1930's. Larson worked as a blower for Dorflinger Glass before losing his job. He later joined three other men and made glass for Durand in 1924. Larson was the gaffer in this shop. After Durand closed in 1931 Larson did some blowing for Wheaton. By the mid-30's he was blowing his own glass in a one pot shop in Vineland. Larson did many reproductions of Stiegel glass and this flask appears to be one of those.

bearswede
01-24-2007, 04:43 AM
Charlie... Where ya bin!!??? Miss ya, Man!!!


Ron

baltbottles
01-24-2007, 05:49 PM
I just held an authentic one of these a couple weeks ago and the color on the original is different then this picture. It’s a more mellow shade of amethyst. And very thin and lightweight. Also I believe the pattern was a bit smaller on the original.

Chris

whiskeyman
01-25-2007, 06:08 PM
Hey RON...howya doin' ? I been missin' this place too...but was kinda busy with "stuff". Hopefully I can check in here a couple times a week.
Good ta seeya...

sloughduck
09-25-2010, 09:35 PM
I am going to post some pictures of flasks I have.I'd like everybodies opinion.I know the vaseline glass flask is a repro no doubt,but for the price I paid and the way it glows under blacklight I practically stole this piece.The others came from other auctions and I think they are Emile Larson flasks ,very thin and light and the colors are correct.

ORIGINAL: whiskeyman

This flask was most likely made by Emil J. Larson of Vineland NJ in the 1930's. Larson worked as a blower for Dorflinger Glass before losing his job. He later joined three other men and made glass for Durand in 1924. Larson was the gaffer in this shop. After Durand closed in 1931 Larson did some blowing for Wheaton.* By the mid-30's he was blowing his own glass in a one pot shop in Vineland. Larson did many reproductions of Stiegel glass and this flask appears to be one of those.



https://www.antique-bottles.net/upfiles/10326/7718FB3990E14FB38DBEA931DB8ACA5C.jpg

sloughduck
09-25-2010, 09:37 PM
pic

https://www.antique-bottles.net/upfiles/10326/8A184FC8BEB840CD84982782BE56BA65.jpg

sloughduck
09-25-2010, 09:37 PM
pic

https://www.antique-bottles.net/upfiles/10326/DFD7B04B0295420EA62ED0BCDF1E3865.jpg

sloughduck
09-25-2010, 09:38 PM
Larson flasks

https://www.antique-bottles.net/upfiles/10326/7BBC506F6BEA4CAA9AB03AA860956EEE.jpg

sloughduck
09-25-2010, 09:39 PM
larson

https://www.antique-bottles.net/upfiles/10326/E4552073AEC64C82A4D8121F9BC7AD1E.jpg

sloughduck
09-25-2010, 09:40 PM
larson

https://www.antique-bottles.net/upfiles/10326/7162D4C37A744329A3A417B4810D9AEB.jpg

whiskeyman
09-26-2010, 03:03 AM
sloughduck...I haven't seen that many Larsons so not really qualified to comment from just a picture, but they appear to be Larson flasks, and on a par with Stiegel as to quality.

The vaseline flask looks like an MMA repro...Metropolitan Museum Of Art. They marked all their repros with an etched/scratched MMA on the base..easily done and barely noticeable and that others making repros should do.
It is also easily ground &/or polished off, so not a total deterrent. [:@]

sloughduck
09-26-2010, 09:04 PM
I had MMA's before,this flask has no markings,it does have a heavily ground and polished base.I gave $19.00 for it and underblack light it sparkles,so I'll keep it.

ORIGINAL: whiskeyman

sloughduck...I haven't seen that many Larsons so not really qualified to comment from just a picture, but they appear to be Larson flasks, and on a par with Stiegel as to quality.

The vaseline flask looks like an MMA repro...Metropolitan Museum Of Art. They marked all their repros with an etched/scratched MMA on the base..easily done and barely noticeable and that others making repros should do.
It is also easily ground &/or polished off, so not a total deterrent. [:@]

blade
09-27-2010, 06:20 PM
I live about 5 miles from the old Steigel Glassworks. Maybe I can get permission to dig there privies.[:D]

whiskeyman
09-28-2010, 03:08 AM
sloughduck...it's probably worth 3 times that.

These have been discussed before > MMA >

see post#12

https://www.antique-bottles.net/forum/m-102191/mpage-1/key-/tm.htm